post #91 of Old 11-02-2011, 11:29 AM
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if it wasent for this site,,and sites like this,,,i would have known NOTHING about oil consumption,,ive been reading for 2 days and am ALARMED by what im finding,,there is alot of ppl out there with the same issue as me,,,I NEVER knew it...thank god for this website,,,im NOT CAR SMART,,and if it wasent for this site,,i would have just continued checking my oil every tank of gas and adding quarts,,thinking nothing was wrong,,this site has been a MAJOR HELP<<>>for me anyways

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Lifetime Powertrain Warranty Scam? Your Warranty May Mean Nothing - Internal Chrysler Documents Revealed

In additional to blaming consumers whenever possible for engine failures covered under warranty, Chrysler also tells dealers in an internal memo that it is normal for their vehicles to consume up to 1 quart of oil every 1,000 and 1 quart every 750 miles for engines over 50,000 miles! Many engines only hold 4-5 quarts on average where you may be dangerously low on motor oil sooner than you would expect. Chrysler is avoiding honoring warranties for problems such as excessive Oil consumption, which is often an indication of future engine failure. To avoid defective Engine warranty claims, Chrysler sends internal memo to dealers stating that acceptable Oil consumption for Engines below 50,000 miles is one quart per 1,000 miles driven! Acceptable Oil consumption for Chrysler Engines with over 50,000 miles is one quart per 750 miles! For more proof, ask to see the memo at your local dealer
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Lifetime Powertrain Warranty Scam? Your Warranty May Mean Nothing - Internal Chrysler Documents Revealed

In additional to blaming consumers whenever possible for engine failures covered under warranty, Chrysler also tells dealers in an internal memo that it is normal for their vehicles to consume up to 1 quart of oil every 1,000 and 1 quart every 750 miles for engines over 50,000 miles! Many engines only hold 4-5 quarts on average where you may be dangerously low on motor oil sooner than you would expect. Chrysler is avoiding honoring warranties for problems such as excessive Oil consumption, which is often an indication of future engine failure. To avoid defective Engine warranty claims, Chrysler sends internal memo to dealers stating that acceptable Oil consumption for Engines below 50,000 miles is one quart per 1,000 miles driven! Acceptable Oil consumption for Chrysler Engines with over 50,000 miles is one quart per 750 miles! For more proof, ask to see the memo at your local dealer
That standard has been around for all the manufacturers, for many decades; from before cars had much of a warranty to try to get out of.
It's not like it's a new conspiracy by Chrysler.
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Its still horse****, though. The flatheads from the 30s didn't regularly burn that much oil.
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Its still horse****, though. The flatheads from the 30s didn't regularly burn that much oil.
I know. I had them in a '40 Ford, and a '53 Hudson Hornet. But, there were plenty that did burn oil.

No one seems to know the ratio of 3.8 oil burners to those that don't burn oil.
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That standard has been around for all the manufacturers, for many decades; from before cars had much of a warranty to try to get out of.
It's not like it's a new conspiracy by Chrysler.
it might not be a conspiracy,,,but if 10 people own jeeps and 8 of the jeeps burn 1 quart between oil changes and,,and 2 of the jeeps burn 1 quart every 1000 kms,and there all the same make,,,same year and in the same mile range,and the jeeps are all MADE from the same metal,,and same fiberglass,,and same parts,,then ALL the jeeps should burn 1 quart between oil changes,,,IF THIS is not the case,,,THAN something is wrong,,i dont care what chrysler says and i dont care what anyone here says,,,if your 1 of the unlucky ones like me who bought 1,,,you would be mad,,,and even MORE MAD,,when your power train 100k warrenty is INVALID....
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AND IF IT IS CONSIDERED NORMAL,,,then why isnt someone like me,,,who walks into a dealership,,and hands down 20 grand,,IF ITS NORMAL,,then why wasent i told about something SO NORMAL??????
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ill tell you why,,becasue CHRYSLER RIPS people off,,,if someone like me sold someone something that cost 20 thousand dollars,,,,and it WASENT up to snuff,,ID BE IN JAIL
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it might not be a conspiracy,,,but if 10 people own jeeps and 8 of the jeeps burn 1 quart between oil changes and,,and 2 of the jeeps burn 1 quart every 1000 kms,and there all the same make,,,same year and in the same mile range,and the jeeps are all MADE from the same metal,,and same fiberglass,,and same parts,,then ALL the jeeps should burn 1 quart between oil changes,,,IF THIS is not the case,,,THAN something is wrong,,i dont care what chrysler says and i dont care what anyone here says,,,if your 1 of the unlucky ones like me who bought 1,,,you would be mad,,,and even MORE MAD,,when your power train 100k warrenty is INVALID....
What % of jeeps report this problem?

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What % of jeeps report this problem?
And what % of other brands have oil burners?
No one thinks of that when it's their Jeep that's burning oil. From their perspective, it's irrelevant.

I'm just trying to keep things in perspective. I guess it can't be done.
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I hear your pain. The Wife bought a 2000 Isuzu Rodeo, new and it burns a quart every 1000K it now has 174K and still burns a quart every 1k it runs like a top just burns oil.I have a 93ZJ I bought used and it has 213K burns or leaks a pint after 3k.Who knows why this is but since the Rodeo has gone 11 years and still runs fine I would just make sure you add oil and get you moneys worth out of the Vehicle.
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it might not be a conspiracy,,,but if 10 people own jeeps and 8 of the jeeps burn 1 quart between oil changes and,,and 2 of the jeeps burn 1 quart every 1000 kms,and there all the same make,,,same year and in the same mile range,and the jeeps are all MADE from the same metal,,and same fiberglass,,and same parts,,then ALL the jeeps should burn 1 quart between oil changes,,,IF THIS is not the case,,,THAN something is wrong,,i dont care what chrysler says and i dont care what anyone here says,,,if your 1 of the unlucky ones like me who bought 1,,,you would be mad,,,and even MORE MAD,,when your power train 100k warrenty is INVALID....
It is not the case. Early batches of 3.8s were assembled in Mexico, while they switched to Trenton Michigan for assembly of 3.8s in JKs after 08.

At least from what I've read, the burning 3.8s came from the Mexico plant, but I've never seen any conclusive evidence.

Mine was built in Michigan and it does not burn any oil

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This is an interesting thread. I have an '03 TJ Sahara with 178,000Kms. It does not use any oil between changes. The oil is changed regularly, about 3 months, I use Synthetic (from Costco). It seems just fine.

I have been considering trading it in on a used JK. I may reconsider and look at a new JK instead.

Does anyone know if the new engines have a simlar problem. They have been out a while in other models.
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It is not the case. Early batches of 3.8s were assembled in Mexico, while they switched to Trenton Michigan for assembly of 3.8s in JKs after 08.

At least from what I've read, the burning 3.8s came from the Mexico plant, but I've never seen any conclusive evidence.

Mine was built in Michigan and it does not burn any oil
You can't make such generalizations. The picture on the previous page, post #84, shows an '07 oil burner assembled in Trenton. My early '08 was assembled in Trenton, but doesn't burn oil.
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This is an interesting thread. I have an '03 TJ Sahara with 178,000Kms. It does not use any oil between changes. The oil is changed regularly, about 3 months, I use Synthetic (from Costco). It seems just fine.

I have been considering trading it in on a used JK. I may reconsider and look at a new JK instead.

Does anyone know if the new engines have a simlar problem. They have been out a while in other models.
Until we know the scope and extent of this issue, we don't know if it is a problem at all. Nobody in this thread seems to know how big the problem is. Is it 1 in 10? Or 1 in 1,000?

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