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Unread 09-30-2006, 11:33 AM   #16
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To be honest I don't know. Pretty sure the 90 and 110 are rated the same, only the wheel base is different, nothing else.

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Unread 09-30-2006, 01:38 PM   #17
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To be honest I don't know. Pretty sure the 90 and 110 are rated the same, only the wheel base is different, nothing else.
Some would say that the only difference between a TJ and the Unlimited is the wheelbase... but the Unlimited is tow rated for 3500lbs while the TJ is only 1000.

The reason is that the GVWR is also different, and I'd bet it was different between the D90 and D100 also, so each would have carried a different tow rating.
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Unread 09-30-2006, 08:36 PM   #18
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So what's the tow rating of the D90 and 110 then?
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Unread 10-01-2006, 12:37 AM   #19
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. but the Unlimited is tow rated for 3500lbs while the TJ is only 1000..
2000 lbs for the 4.0 TJ "swb"
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Unread 10-01-2006, 04:37 AM   #20
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So what's the tow rating of the D90 and 110 then?
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BTW - while this topic is going on. Why do Jeeps have such a low tow rating? I mean their British counter part is a Land Rover, specifically a Defender 90, or maybe a 110 now there's a LWB Wrangler.

But have I read it right that the new Wrangler is only rated at 2000lb towing ability? Surley I've miss-read it.

A diesel 110 Defender with 2.5 TD engine and 134bhp is rated to pull 3500kg (7700lb). Seems to be a massive difference.
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Unread 10-01-2006, 05:16 AM   #21
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2000 lbs for the 4.0 TJ "swb"
You're right... I'm not sure why the heck I typed that since I tow a 1200lb trailer with my TJ all the time.
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Unread 10-02-2006, 12:00 PM   #22
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I pulled a 10 foot long empty utility trailer, total wt about 600 lbs., over the mississippi bridge in Baton Rouge. I felt the trailer pull on the engine while empty.
I would not buy this vehicle with the idea that you will pull a loaded trailer, 2000lbs or over, up and down those inclines. Will it do it yeah. Will the performance be acceptable, no. By the way while pulling the empty trailer, I reset the mpg setting on the computer, and it averaged 10.2 mpg while pulling. We did not buy it to pull or for mileage, just good ole jeep fun in the sun.
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I pulled a 10 foot long empty utility trailer, total wt about 600 lbs., over the mississippi bridge in Baton Rouge. I felt the trailer pull on the engine while empty.
I would not buy this vehicle with the idea that you will pull a loaded trailer, 2000lbs or over, up and down those inclines. Will it do it yeah. Will the performance be acceptable, no. By the way while pulling the empty trailer, I reset the mpg setting on the computer, and it averaged 10.2 mpg while pulling. We did not buy it to pull or for mileage, just good ole jeep fun in the sun.
Auto or manual? What gearing?
I'm curious because my S10 which had a much higher tow rating, got similar (~10ish) mileage while pulling my 5x8 enclosed trailer, but my Jeep (before I lifted it) got better than 15mpg pulling the same trailer across PA. I believe the difference was the 4.10 gears vs the 3.73s in my truck. Also my truck was auto so it was constantly shifting & hunting for the right gear on hilly roads, but my Jeep I just throw it in 6th and cruise no problem.
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Unread 10-02-2006, 12:27 PM   #24
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Unread 10-02-2006, 03:11 PM   #25
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BTW - while this topic is going on. Why do Jeeps have such a low tow rating? I mean their British counter part is a Land Rover, specifically a Defender 90, or maybe a 110 now there's a LWB Wrangler.

But have I read it right that the new Wrangler is only rated at 2000lb towing ability? Surley I've miss-read it.

A diesel 110 Defender with 2.5 TD engine and 134bhp is rated to pull 3500kg (7700lb). Seems to be a massive difference.

The Defender 110 is substantially heavier, has a lot longer wheelbase, and has infinitely better brakes.
Engine size has almost nothing to do with towing safely, it's all about controlling the load (handling and stopping.)
I've towed over 2000 lbs with the TJ 4.0 and it's a little scary. Plenty of go, no whoa, and every bump or little crosswind makes you wonder if you're about to lose control. The defender 110 is nearly the same size and weight as a full size American pickup....
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Unread 10-03-2006, 01:18 AM   #26
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umm, I hear what you say and it all sounds reasonable and logical, but I'm not certain. Defender 90's are almost idential to a YJ/TJ in size and weight.

93" wheel base and can weigh as little as 1500-1600kg they have the same engine, brakes and suspension as a Defender 110. And I'm pretty sure they are rated to tow the same weight.

We often use a early 80's 2.5TD 90 (about 90bhp) for towing a trailer with another Land Rover on. So an easy 5000lb+ total weight. Absolutly no problem. Ok it's not very fast, but then its not meant to be.
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Unread 10-03-2006, 04:09 AM   #27
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Right, I've had a double check and the Defender 90 is def rated at 3500kg (7700lb) towing capacity.

I did think maybe it was because it has permanent 4wd.

But I then looked at some specs for regular cars. A Mazda 6 is rated at:

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Towing Capacity: 12% slope: 1,600kg (3520lb); 8% slope: 1,800kg (3960lb)
This is just a regular fwd drive saloon/sedan. How come it appears to have a better tow capcity than the Wrangler

Am I totally missing something? Can anyone confirm what the towing capcity of the Wrangle is?
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Unread 10-03-2006, 10:21 AM   #28
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But I then looked at some specs for regular cars. A Mazda 6 is rated at:



This is just a regular fwd drive saloon/sedan. How come it appears to have a better tow capcity than the Wrangler

Am I totally missing something? Can anyone confirm what the towing capcity of the Wrangle is?
there is a serious error, there is no way a mazda6 can tow that much.

Towing cap for the "swb" wrangler is 2000 lbs, and unlimited is 3500 lbs
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Unread 10-03-2006, 12:32 PM   #29
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Ok here's another. Vauxhall (well Holden, Opel) Vectra: http://autospeed.drive.com.au/cms/ca...s/vehicle.html

Towing capacity 1600kg (3520lb)
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Unread 10-03-2006, 01:16 PM   #30
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dont know anything about those cars. i emailed mazda asking about towing, so i should hear back from them in a day or so.

with the Wrangler, its not about the engine/trans/drivetrain... its well capable of towing 5000 lbs. Its just the size, wheelbase, of it that makes it not a good idea to tow heavy loads.
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