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Unread 11-20-2008, 03:15 AM   #46
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Hilldweller, how big of an improvement are the vision plus bulbs over stock? Is the beam pattern really changed that much? How about intensity?
A full 25% more USABLE light.

Again, please don't let yourselves be fooled by the "wow factor" of some lights. Just because a bulb or full assembly has the ability to make lots of bright light, doesn't meant that it will benefit you in terms of actually seeing. Glare is bad; you need to be able to focus.

As for driving faster than 55 at night, the roads around here don't afford that opportunity, even in my Mini. Unless I'd like to spend eternity with a mangled deer...
On highways I feel safe at the speed limit. With the Hellas and highbeams burning, I feel like Ironman.

Regarding the Cibies, I've never seen them in action. But if Stern endorses them, they work. He's never been a product whore so I trust his word.
It's just that they're not on my customer list (that I know of...).

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Unread 11-20-2008, 10:39 AM   #47
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You'd have to replace the entire reflector for it to work and be close to legal. And, for what it's worth, you still won't see the road as well with HID lighting in adverse weather.
you bet you'd get rid of the stock reflector. you'd be using a projector assembly. and i agree with all but the final statement. i'm talking about using oem components at a color temperature of 4300k, not some goofy ebay purple lights nonsense. when i had my srt, i had a bixenon retro done. a pair of audi RS6 projectors and a bunch of custom work were giving me a beam pattern like this:

anyway, it'll run you about 600 in parts, plus a set of jeep headlights to modify. but that's all oem components. check out the forums at HIDplanet.com. just seems like no one's really considered the option.
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Unread 11-20-2008, 11:28 AM   #48
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you bet you'd get rid of the stock reflector. you'd be using a projector assembly... i'm talking about using oem components at a color temperature of 4300k, not some goofy ebay purple lights nonsense.
Not too many people do it the right way though...
I see lots of (squinting) people running around here with 9000k purple haze lights.
No matter the temperature, I still don't see as well with HID headlights (legal ones). I had them on one of my Minis and I never adapted to them.
I'm still waiting for the LED revolution to be complete; they're just so efficient and perfect...
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Unread 11-20-2008, 07:51 PM   #49
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I am actually pleased with light when the low beams and fogs are on, but the brights really suck. I am thinking about getting the phillips X-treme bulbs.....I just can't find them anywhere.
http://www.lighting.philips.com/us_e...motive&lang=en
They came in yesterday and are a huge improvement over stock. I went out driving on a rural road tonight and was really impressed. I recommend these to anyone.
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Unread 11-20-2008, 07:56 PM   #50
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I'm still waiting for the LED revolution to be complete; they're just so efficient and perfect...
I LOVE the new LED light bars. SO intense, and pure white too. But....I see no reason why these things are $1200+ right now. $500?...I might go for it. 250?...Id be all over them like a fat kid on a cupcake.

For right now...I guess I'll just stick with my $100 130w KC's.
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Unread 11-20-2008, 08:10 PM   #51
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Id be all over them like a fat kid on a cupcake
start cooking...

...found a "headlight" led setup for $11







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Unread 11-20-2008, 08:17 PM   #52
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start cooking...

...found a "headlight" led setup for $11







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But see, thats what Im talking about in reference to cost with those big bars. I have a 4 watt surefire knock off (single LED) thats as bright as my conventional 12v surefire....and it cost less. Why cant we have those ultra intense LED's available for less than my entire paycheck?

http://www.teakatoys.com/Xmitter_Xtr...vx-xil-800.htm
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Unread 11-20-2008, 10:24 PM   #53
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Mine suck ***, def need to upgrade them soon.
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Unread 11-21-2008, 07:01 AM   #54
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where'd you find that headlamp? i'm in the market.
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Unread 11-21-2008, 08:55 AM   #55
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where'd you find that headlamp? i'm in the market.
What I have decided to order is the "Cibie H4 Headlamp 7" Round" for 74.95 from http://www.danielsternlighting.com/p.../products.html - scroll down a bit. I'll probably go with one of his +50 H4 bulbs.

I'd suggest Googling Cibie and then follow links, mostly to other forums (RR, Bronco, various auto forums) and read the comments. The constants are everybody loves the Cibie's, the Hella's have a loussy pattern with the high and low beams having too much vertical divergence, the Marschals are great but too much money, most Chenese stuff is garbage, and anything "blue" is lousy as it only looks brighter because of glare but doesn't help you see better.

I did re-aim my stock bulbs (piece of cake by the way) and it did help but I think the real answer is a new headlamp with a proper pattern built in.
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Unread 11-21-2008, 11:03 AM   #56
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i'd like to see a comparison personally. install one side, than hook us up with some pix. cover one bulb, take pic, cover other bulb, take pic, then post for all to enjoy.
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Unread 11-22-2008, 03:53 PM   #57
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No kidding!

My JK's headlights were aimed much too high from the factory. People constantly flashed at me thinking my lights were on "bright". Now they're aimed down but offer insufficient distance light (on low beam) to be totally safe (Wild horses like to stand in the middle of the road at night around here. Someone should tell them to find somewhere else to hang out!).
Also, when you switch high and low beams, you'll notice the lights brighten up, delay, then change beam; pretty unusual. Fog lights do help!
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Unread 11-22-2008, 10:02 PM   #58
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most of our JK's headlights are adjusted too high if you have the hard top on. Especially on the 4 doors. But, they still are lacking. Add driving lights. Just bolt them on top of the bumper.
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Unread 11-22-2008, 10:47 PM   #59
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i'd like to see a comparison personally. install one side, than hook us up with some pix. cover one bulb, take pic, cover other bulb, take pic, then post for all to enjoy.
i'll hook you up when i get mine in next week.


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Unread 11-23-2008, 10:21 AM   #60
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My JK's headlights were aimed much too high from the factory. People constantly flashed at me thinking my lights were on "bright". Now they're aimed down but offer insufficient distance light (on low beam) to be totally safe (Wild horses like to stand in the middle of the road at night around here. Someone should tell them to find somewhere else to hang out!).
Also, when you switch high and low beams, you'll notice the lights brighten up, delay, then change beam; pretty unusual. Fog lights do help!
Thats because the H13 is a dual filament bulb. When you activate your high beam switch, the computer first illuminates the desired filament, and then shuts down the other. I have yet to figure out why.
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