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Unread 11-30-2010, 10:36 PM   #31
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what about the smittybilt 8000lb one ? would that work ?

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Unread 12-01-2010, 10:10 AM   #32
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I deleted my winch for the same reason. My Superwinch with plate weighed 120 pounds!

Not to hyjack, but why don't more people run a front 2" receiver, so the winch could be carried inside, then slid into the front or rear receiver depending on situation? I think that is my plan unless I missed something.

And synthetic line sounds like a worthwhile investment to me. I cannot shake my road racing, every pound counts mentality.
While this might be an alternative for some light recreational wheeling, it definitely has its drawbacks. First, lugging 120# around if you need to install it. Second, wiring it up after you install it. Third, taking up valuable(and almost non-existant in a Wrangler) storage space. Fourth, not nearly as strong of an attachment as a permanent mount.

Could you imagine trying to install it once you are in this position(because you could not get the approach angle if you installed it before you started up)? Lug it up the waterfall, and reach out and install it once you get it up? No thanks.

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Unread 12-01-2010, 10:28 AM   #33
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Only a mall crawler would really worry about the weight of a winch. Unless your trying to chop gross weight for fuel saving's.
A winch on the trail, is a very handy tool to have at your finger tips. either to get yourself or a wheeling buddy out of trouble. If your concerned about a little rake. change your springs or install a spacer.
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Unread 12-01-2010, 12:15 PM   #34
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Only a mall crawler would really worry about the weight of a winch. Unless your trying to chop gross weight for fuel saving's.
I have to disagree with you on this. I think weight reduction is extremely important to the hardcore (and even mild) offroader. Sometimes every little pound could make the difference in successfully making it up and over an obstacle.
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Unread 12-01-2010, 12:28 PM   #35
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I have to disagree with you on this. I think weight reduction is extremely important to the hardcore offroader. Sometimes every little pound could make the difference in successfully making it up and over an obstacle.
While I don't consider myself hardcore, I agree 100% with this. I definitely think I can tell the difference if say I empty out the back, remove the seat, etc. versus not or if the gas tank is 1/4 full versus 3/4 full.
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Unread 12-01-2010, 12:32 PM   #36
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While I don't consider myself hardcore
By hardcore I meant anyone who off-roads regularly. I don't consider myself "hardcore" either but understand the benefits of keeping weight down. sorry for the confusion.


My overall point was, weight matters a great deal for all of us. Not just mall crawlers trying to save gas as Dirtsquirt suggested.
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Unread 12-01-2010, 12:44 PM   #37
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Only a mall crawler would really worry about the weight of a winch. Unless your trying to chop gross weight for fuel saving's.
A winch on the trail, is a very handy tool to have at your finger tips. either to get yourself or a wheeling buddy out of trouble. If your concerned about a little rake. change your springs or install a spacer.
when your jeep weighs almost 4800lbs, your constantly driving in altitudes over 7000ft and you jeep is undergeared cause you cant go to 5:13s cause of axles i think weight plays a huge issue. my jeep back in IL could cruise all day long and keep up with traffic, now im in colorado at 5600ft above sea level and drive to higher elevations often where the 4.0 and 42rle really lack power, now add 4800lb jeep and yes weight saving is an issue.. but i guess i could go to the mall and not worry about it except i like to take the long way around
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Unread 12-01-2010, 12:50 PM   #38
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when your jeep weighs almost 4800lbs, your constantly driving in altitudes over 7000ft and you jeep is undergeared cause you cant go to 5:13s cause of axles i think weight plays a huge issue. my jeep back in IL could cruise all day long and keep up with traffic, now im in colorado at 5600ft above sea level and drive to higher elevations often where the 4.0 and 42rle really lack power
hehe, see! I'm not making this gearing junk up.

Glad somebody else knows where I'm coming from with the 42RLE suckage
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Unread 12-01-2010, 12:55 PM   #39
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hehe, see! I'm not making this gearing junk up.

Glad somebody else knows where I'm coming from with the 42RLE suckage
if i was still back home i would still stand tall on my setup working perfect. of course there are no hill and i was 500ft above sea level although i can still drive 70+ here in Colorado my jeep is taking a beating. i have 2 new leaks (1 coolant and 1 TCleak/transmission) and i think it is cause of how my jeep has to work overtime to stay at that 70mph.
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Unread 12-01-2010, 01:09 PM   #40
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if i was still back home i would still stand tall on my setup working perfect. of course there are no hill and i was 500ft above sea level although i can still drive 70+ here in Colorado my jeep is taking a beating. i have 2 new leaks (1 coolant and 1 TCleak/transmission) and i think it is cause of how my jeep has to work overtime to stay at that 70mph.
well, on the upside, those 4.56s would be perfect for a set of 31s.
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Unread 12-01-2010, 01:42 PM   #41
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well, on the upside, those 4.56s would be perfect for a set of 31s.
for the once a week i drive the jeep Ill keep it the way it is, other than the changing from steel to alloy wheels.
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...why don't more people run a front 2" receiver, so the winch could be carried inside, then slid into the front or rear receiver depending on situation?...

I have that set up on my old MJ. The problem with it is side pulls. Side pulls are a no no! The hitches are not built for it. And, sometimes you just can't avoid it withouth multiple snatchblocks and a ton of cable. Don't get me wrong, it's great for keeping the weight and air blockage off the front of the Jeep. And it rocks when you need the rear pull. But it does have limitations...
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Unread 12-01-2010, 02:02 PM   #43
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that sounds like a recipie for destruction. Besides the thickness of an aluminum bumper that could withstand the same forces as steel would be so thick that one might not realize any weight reduction, just strength reduction.
Why does everyone think the only type of aluminum is the kind cans are made out of!
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I have to disagree with you on this. I think weight reduction is extremely important to the hardcore (and even mild) offroader. Sometimes every little pound could make the difference in successfully making it up and over an obstacle.
I guess it boils down to the wheeling you do, rock crawling less weight would more the likely be better, But here i guess with little rock and and lots of slick hills. the winch and bumper weight help.
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Unread 12-23-2010, 02:40 PM   #45
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IM saving now for a winch i just dont know how much of a rake it will give the jeep
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