[slingerofmud]

Originally Posted by Jeepster83

the proper way to run a belly up skid is in conjunction with at least a 1" BL. a BL is a viable way to do more than just get a taller Jeep. as i stated just now you need one to run a belly up, and if all you want is more tire clearance the the BL would be a good way to go. 1.25" of a BL isnt bad and is useful when done right. a suspension isnt the only way to lift your Jeep the "right" way.

also you need a BL to run an atlas t-case. if you ever plan on doing an engine swap youll need one too.

hmm, didnt know that. That is some good info!

[2005X]

"2BB, "1BL 33x12.5x15s

[Dmcastino]

Originally Posted by Squeeky

Anything over 1.25 is ugly as well as dangerous because it raises your COG and makes it easy to roll.

How exactly would a BL be worse for center of gravity than a suspension lift? With the body lift, the frame and everything of the Jeep stays right where it is, with a suspensions lift, that all gets raised higher in the air. Soo wouldn't that mean the BL's are actually better in relation to center of gravity?? I know the issues with adding leverage to the body mounts and how that could be dangerous, I just don't think COG is an issue.

[Squeeky]

Originally Posted by Dmcastino

How exactly would a BL be worse for center of gravity than a suspension lift? With the body lift, the frame and everything of the Jeep stays right where it is, with a suspensions lift, that all gets raised higher in the air. Soo wouldn't that mean the BL's are actually better in relation to center of gravity?? I know the issues with adding leverage to the body mounts and how that could be dangerous, I just don't think COG is an issue.

You're right I have no idea what I'm talking about

[3AM]

if the bolts are tight the shear strength is no different with a 3 inch body lift as they are with the just the factory body mounts. However if they come loose or stretch (most body lifts come with cheap bolts) you could run into the possibility of one breaking. Not likely though.

Aesthetics are most peoples concern with anything over an inch. I have to agree.

I bought my TJ used and it had a three inch body lift on it. The transfer case would not shift properly and it would not go into 4LO (the reason the seller sold it) The shifter hit the console even with an extension. It looked horrible too! I put on one inch daystar mounts, a motor lift, and a belly up pan. and it corrected all the problems.

Anything over an inch and you have to deal with issues like the transfer case linkage, fuel filler tube, the shifter hitting the console, and putting a spacer on the steering linkage

[Dmcastino]

Originally Posted by Squeeky

You're right I have no idea what I'm talking about

Wait, was that sarcasm? I wasnt trying to be rude or anything, I hope it didn't come off that way . I was just trying to clarify if it truly was a bad COG thing or not.

[Squeeky]

Originally Posted by Dmcastino

Wait, was that sarcasm? I wasnt trying to be rude or anything, I hope it didn't come off that way . I was just trying to clarify if it truly was a bad COG thing or not.

It was half sarcasm...
The sarcasm was because I'm not gonna argue over whether it raises the cog or not. I happen to beleive it does even more so then a suspension lift because basically its making more top heavy by causing the jeep to get taller without getting higher, Think about it like this, what's more likely to tip over 2 or 3 blocks stacked, or 4 or 5? That's just me though, you all can have your own opinions on the matter.

The seriousness of me not knowing is because I had never heard of the stress on the bolts being a factor...did some searching and it turns out it is...either way a body lift taller then and inch and a quarter is a bad idea.

[Wheelin98TJ]

Originally Posted by Squeeky

...The seriousness of me not knowing is because I had never heard of the stress on the bolts being a factor...did some searching and it turns out it is...either way a body lift taller then and inch and a quarter is a bad idea.

Lets see those search results.

I firmly believe there is nothing wrong with a 2" or 3" body lift other than how a person might think it looks.

[jcssurf]

Originally Posted by Wheelin98TJ

Lets see those search results.

I firmly believe there is nothing wrong with a 2" or 3" body lift other than how a person might think it looks.

Ditto. Other than asthetics, there is nothing wrong with either. Their advantage is allowing you to fit larger tires (they act the same as if you were extending bumpstops for clearance) without changing ride or driveline angles and they can allow you to run totally flat skids.

Someone find me one member who has (a) had his 3" body lift pucks come through the floor or (b) had the body shear off of the mounts as a result of a 3" body. I think these cases are urban legends, or a result of someone half-*** making their own body lift.

[latsyrcmai]

I've got a 2 in BL. Simply amazing how much more work you have to do for that extra .75in. I don't even notice it even more as far as looks go. It was a PITA as far as install (had to take it to a shop for them to finish up because I got hung up on the filler hose extension and the evap part--ran out of time).



My opinion...go with that 1.25 BL dude and save yourself a LOT of hassle.

[swsscb]

Originally Posted by latsyrcmai

I've got a 2 in BL. Simply amazing how much more work you have to do for that extra .75in. I don't even notice it even more as far as looks go. It was a PITA as far as install (had to take it to a shop for them to finish up because I got hung up on the filler hose extension and the evap part--ran out of time).



My opinion...go with that 1.25 BL dude and save yourself a LOT of hassle.

thanks man!

[Wheelin98TJ]

What's so hard about the fuel filler extension?

All you have to do is cut the hose, splice in the provided piece of pipe, and hose clamp it up.

[mrblaine]

Originally Posted by kllrbee

IMHO, anything over a 1" looks like crap.

Really? I had to put an inch and a half on this one and I don't think it looks like crap.

[TJ-xtreme]

here's mine with a 2.5" suspension and 1" body lift on 35's....

[mrblaine]

Originally Posted by Squeeky

It was half sarcasm...
The sarcasm was because I'm not gonna argue over whether it raises the cog or not.

Of course it raises the COG, the question is by how much and if that's enough to make a difference in the vehicle's overall performance.

I happen to beleive it does even more so then a suspension lift because basically its making more top heavy by causing the jeep to get taller without getting higher,

Unpossible. It's either taller or it ain't.

Think about it like this, what's more likely to tip over 2 or 3 blocks stacked, or 4 or 5? That's just me though, you all can have your own opinions on the matter.

Opinions are one thing, basic physics are another, and you're mixing the two with poor results.

What if your blocks were all different sizes and weights with very wide flat heavy ones on the bottom and then as they get stacked higher, they get narrower and shorter and they were all glued together?

The seriousness of me not knowing is because I had never heard of the stress on the bolts being a factor...did some searching and it turns out it is...either way a body lift taller then and inch and a quarter is a bad idea.

Such absoluteness! What if you are installing an Atlas, have dimpled the floor as high as it will go and you still need another quarter of an inch to get a flat skid on, is it still a bad thing?

You need a bit of education in COG and how it's affected by where the weight is.

A perfect example is those blow up clown dolls that are very tall with weight in the base. You can punch them all day long and they don't fall over and stay there, but manage to right themselves each time.

The drivetrain and frame are by far the heaviest part of the TJ. Raising the body has far less effect on the COG than raising the motor and frame with a suspension lift does.