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Unread 06-18-2010, 03:46 PM   #31
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I inquired thru (email) Jeep technical owner support from the Jeep site. Someone got back to me a day later stating the springs in my '04 Rubi (4.0 / auto tranny) are the same as a equivalent equipped '04 Sport and X model. My build sheet doesn't list spring p/n or rating.
Your build sheet should list the spring codes.

Its usually right after the code that reads "YGFA - 8 Additional Gallons of Gas"

You'll see spring codes like this:
ZAYP - Spring - Left Rear
ZBHP - Spring - Left Front
ZNYP - Spring - Right Rear
ZPHP - Spring - Right Front
This would indicate the 130 springs up front and the 5AA or 105 springs in the rear.

"130" and "105" are the last 3 digits of the part numbers.

You can also find the part # on the spring if the tag is still present.






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Unread 06-18-2010, 04:18 PM   #32
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I bought my '04 Rubi in Jan '10. 24,200 miles on the odo. I sent a request to DC for a copy of the build sheet. Here's what I received....
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Date: February 4, 2010 12:19:57 PM CST

Thank you for contacting the Chrysler Customer Assistance Center
regarding your Jeep Wrangler Rubicon.

We are pleased to provide vehicle build information per your request and
we apologize for the delay. According to our records, your vehicle was
equipped from the factory with the following:

*P5 Cloth High-Back Bucket Seats
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XEFS Transfer Case Skid Plate Shield
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Unread 06-18-2010, 04:31 PM   #33
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Unread 06-18-2010, 04:40 PM   #34
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Nope, inside they are the same...
Most Rubicons were built with more options than the x's were, however.
When I bought mine, I couldn't find one without a 6 disc changer and dual tops.
I would hope so! The X is just an SE with a 4.0. The Rubi is a top model (like a Sport for example) with most everything already included, and with some substantial upgrades not available on a non-Rubi (as mentioned in this thread.)
In the early years of the X, not much was available even as options. In the last years, dealers ordered lots of X's so optioned out they cost nearly as much as Rubis. Poor suckers who bought them knew no better...

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Okay, I should search for the answer to this, but since we're kind of on the topic already...what's the deal with the passenger seat tumble feature? Is that an option, or standard? I know it sounds kind of stupid, but I'd like to get rid of it. Could I pick up a non-tumble bracket, perhaps?
WHY on earth for? Just don't tumble it. <slapping forehead> And no, they all tumble, there's no non-tumble base.

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I was told by both Rough Country and Jeep (DC) the springs in all TJ's (ie; 2003 - 2006) are the EXACT SAME SPRING. Check the part numbers for a 2004 Rubi and 2004 X. Their the same. Where the difference is is in the axles. The D44's front & rear on a Rubi sit 1/2" higher than axles on a Sport or X model.

For example, if you were to buy a 2.5" lift from Rough Country, on the Sport and X models, you will achieve 2.5" of lift, where as on the Rubi, you only get 2.0" lift due to the axles - not the springs.
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You are incorrect about the difference being the axles. The D44 rear in the Rubi is the same housing as the D44 in any other TJ (I.e. the same except for the locker and gear ratio.)
And the statement "the springs in all TJ's (ie; 2003 - 2006) are the EXACT SAME SPRING" is incorrect, and well known to be incorrect.

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I inquired thru (email) Jeep technical owner support from the Jeep site. Someone got back to me a day later stating the springs in my '04 Rubi (4.0 / auto tranny) are the same as a equivalent equipped '04 Sport and X model. .
That is correct. But it is NOT what you wrote above. IF an X and a Rubi were equivalent equipped, they'd have the same spring rate. This is not the same as saying all TJs have the exact same spring.
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Unread 06-18-2010, 04:51 PM   #35
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For the sake of completeness, I'll also bring up the fact the Rubicon has 1/2" spacers welded to the top of the front bump stop pads to decrease the wheel travel a bit to clear the 31's when they're stuffed.
Yeah...and it was a PITA to drill and tap them for my bumpstop extensions.
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Unread 06-18-2010, 05:03 PM   #36
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I bought my '04 Rubi in Jan '10. 24,200 miles on the odo. I sent a request to DC for a copy of the build sheet. Here's what I received....
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From: customerassist <customerassist@chrysler.com>
Date: February 4, 2010 12:19:57 PM CST

Thank you for contacting the Chrysler Customer Assistance Center
regarding your Jeep Wrangler Rubicon.

We are pleased to provide vehicle build information per your request and
we apologize for the delay. According to our records, your vehicle was
equipped from the factory with the following:

....
SBAS Power Rack and Pinion Steering
SCAS Steering Wheel
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Unread 06-18-2010, 06:38 PM   #37
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FWIW - I sent a PM to Rough Country here on JeepForum asking him to explain why he told me what he did. We'll see just how stand-up of a guy / company he / they are.......
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Unread 06-18-2010, 06:48 PM   #38
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FWIW - I sent a PM to Rough Country here on JeepForum asking him to explain why he told me what he did. We'll see just how stand-up of a guy / company he / they are.......
I don't think its that big of a deal and its not worth judging a company or a person over.

It was a simple misunderstanding and now hopefully everything is clear.
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Unread 06-18-2010, 11:25 PM   #39
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I don't think its that big of a deal and its not worth judging a company or a person over.

It was a simple misunderstanding and now hopefully everything is clear.
I disagree. I quoted what was told to me by RC. Some have implied I was mislead. Again, regardless of what some believe was misquoting or misunderstanding on my part, that's not the case. These people are assuming.

Bottom line, I was told the springs are all the same and that it is the height of the D44's that make a difference in net gains when doing a suspension lift. End of story.
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Unread 06-18-2010, 11:31 PM   #40
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Absolutely. We make decisions based on what vendors tell us, and I don't blame you for wanting clarification on what was said.
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Unread 06-18-2010, 11:34 PM   #41
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I have tried to search but can't find the specifics I am looking for
Your Google-fu is weak.

Jeep Wrangler - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Just thought I'd throw that in there.
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Unread 06-18-2010, 11:36 PM   #42
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I would hope so! The X is just an SE with a 4.0. The Rubi is a top model (like a Sport for example) with most everything already included, and with some substantial upgrades not available on a non-Rubi (as mentioned in this thread.)
In the early years of the X, not much was available even as options. In the last years, dealers ordered lots of X's so optioned out they cost nearly as much as Rubis. Poor suckers who bought them knew no better...



WHY on earth for? Just don't tumble it. <slapping forehead> And no, they all tumble, there's no non-tumble base.



You are incorrect about the difference being the axles. The D44 rear in the Rubi is the same housing as the D44 in any other TJ (I.e. the same except for the locker and gear ratio.)
And the statement "the springs in all TJ's (ie; 2003 - 2006) are the EXACT SAME SPRING" is incorrect, and well known to be incorrect.



That is correct. But it is NOT what you wrote above. IF an X and a Rubi were equivalent equipped, they'd have the same spring rate. This is not the same as saying all TJs have the exact same spring.
Apples and oranges. Jeep said equivalent equipped.

Granted I may have misunderstood Jeep's explanation compared to RC's, but like I replied above, I was told by RC the springs are all the same on TJ Rubi's, Sports and X models. That the part numbers were the same. And that the diff height made the difference. Speaking of apples and oranges, some here claim I am inncorrect but fail to realized I am not incorrect -- It now appears I was misled and or lied to.
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Unread 06-18-2010, 11:41 PM   #43
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And that the diff height made the difference.
I'm assuming you meant to say axle tube diameter, since the "diff height" has absolutely nothing to do with the distance between the upper and lower spring mounts and, consequently, lift height, given the same spring. And if you would have simply done a bit more research after being told that Rubis had larger tubes, you'd discover that they are all the same. Research is invaluable.
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Unread 06-19-2010, 12:12 AM   #44
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That is what I assumed as well. I had two phone conversations with RC after meeting three people who had installed the 2.5" Progressive Lift on (2) '05 Rubi's and a '04 like mine. They all informed me when new, they were only able to get 2" of lift. RC first told me these people weren't measuring correctly. Then they told me about the diff height and shock theory. In turn, these same people were adamant they knew the correct results. Matter of fact, two have told me within a year they're now sitting at 1 1/2" of lift and that both had installed flat flares (both are running 33's). One even claims the 2.2 Progressive shocks are terrible in winter weather and was forced to change to another brand shock.

Regardless, I should have returned the lift when I realized I wasn't going to achieve the lift height they claim. Mind you no where did they disclaim different results on Rubicons. I guess that's because they believe the theory they explained to me. Whatever that actually may be?

Lesson learned.
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Unread 06-19-2010, 07:13 AM   #45
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Lift companies don't provide different springs for different models of TJs. It doesn't matter to them whether it's a Rubicon, X, Sahara, or Sport model. The provide a coil spring with "X" amount of advertised lift. "X" is based on a stock vehicle. It does not take into account all the little upgrades we all do that add weight. More weight up top is going to make the springs compress more.

The coil springs you buy are a very important component of any lift. Manufactures vary greatly in quality and ride. Most will tell you OME, or AEV makes the best coil springs. The bottom line to me is you spent $299 on a kit that included shocks, transfer case spacers and shocks. That would have been my first clue I was not getting a failsafe kit that was going to do exactly what I wanted. Good PAIR of coils cost almost 2 hundred bucks alone. Good shocks run another hundred each. You got exactly what you paid for, CHEAP STUFF. Does it work, yes, but it's not going to be perfect.
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