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Unread 09-25-2013, 11:29 AM   #1
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transfer case shifter linkage

So last night I went wheeling since my bl and mml install and about halfway through the evening while in 4wd hi my lj rubi just kicked itself out of 4wd. I had a difficult time just getting it back in 2wd because my front tires were stuck in a rut crossways. I eventually got it in 2wd so that I could park it and ride with another guy in the group. So my problem is.. now that ive looked at it and tried to figure out what the issue is im stuck with this... I can use 2 hi and pulling the shifter all the way I can get into 4lo like normal.. but in the middle where the 4hi should engage it doesn't. About 3/4 to the locked position is where it is engaged and the light is on. I just cant figure out why the middle point would be off so much if it was working previously and then the two options on either side function properly. I have a novak cable sitting around as well and was wondering if it could be adjusted to make this shift smoothly? Idk what do you guys thing because I can dd it now dince 2hi is ok but im kinda screwed with my trail riding til I get it fixed?

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Unread 09-25-2013, 11:52 AM   #2
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Middle position isn't just going to disappear. Sounds to me like your linkage is messed up and when you say you are think you are getting to 4L you are really just in 4H. Have you gotten underneath and tried adjusting it with the lever on the side of the TC rather than the in cab handle? I bet if you do that you'll find all the settings are there.
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Unread 09-25-2013, 12:38 PM   #3
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Middle position isn't just going to disappear. Sounds to me like your linkage is messed up and when you say you are think you are getting to 4L you are really just in 4H. Have you gotten underneath and tried adjusting it with the lever on the side of the TC rather than the in cab handle? I bet if you do that you'll find all the settings are there.
Spent about 20 mins getting under it and having my buddy shift it for me to check for the settings and drive forward /reverse when he shifted them in the cab.. I was able to assist underneath shifting by hand only a little bit and when it felt that it should be locked in 4hi it wasn't. The reason I know it was in 4lo is because there is an obvious change in rpm and driving when in 4 lo.. so I have no doubt that when the lever was shifted all the way up that I was in fact in 4 lo. My issue is when shifting the handle to the 4 hi position... the point at which it is engaged is not where it should be... as it sits now the 4hi actually engages and is functional midway between neutral and where 4 hi should be engaged. This would not allow it to stay in 4hi when testing in forward and reverse... so just to clarify I know all of the settings are there but I just cant understand why the linkage would allow for both 2 hi and 4 lo to function normally in their stock locations yet the 4hi does not engage in the proper location.
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Unread 09-25-2013, 12:42 PM   #4
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Spent about 20 mins getting under it and having my buddy shift it for me to check for the settings and drive forward /reverse when he shifted them in the cab.. I was able to assist underneath shifting by hand only a little bit and when it felt that it should be locked in 4hi it wasn't. The reason I know it was in 4lo is because there is an obvious change in rpm and driving when in 4 lo.. so I have no doubt that when the lever was shifted all the way up that I was in fact in 4 lo. My issue is when shifting the handle to the 4 hi position... the point at which it is engaged is not where it should be... as it sits now the 4hi actually engages and is functional midway between neutral and where 4 hi should be engaged. This would not allow it to stay in 4hi when testing in forward and reverse... so just to clarify I know all of the settings are there but I just cant understand why the linkage would allow for both 2 hi and 4 lo to function normally in their stock locations yet the 4hi does not engage in the proper location.
Don't get overly hung up on the position of the handle in the cab. That can really be all over the place depending on linkage adjustment. If it locks in to all the necessary positions then nothing is wrong and you just adjust the linkage.
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Unread 09-25-2013, 12:52 PM   #5
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Don't get overly hung up on the position of the handle in the cab. That can really be all over the place depending on linkage adjustment. If it locks in to all the necessary positions then nothing is wrong and you just adjust the linkage.
Alright sounds good I guess I was just used to pulling the shifter up and when it got to the turn in the shuft mechanism that was locked into 4hi... im probably going to install the novak cable to see if I can get it adjusted so all the positions are easy as what people say they are to shift into. Maybe this is what I need to get me to install my under armor.. idk guess I just need to get under it and do some adjusting til it works correctly
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Alright sounds good I guess I was just used to pulling the shifter up and when it got to the turn in the shuft mechanism that was locked into 4hi... im probably going to install the novak cable to see if I can get it adjusted so all the positions are easy as what people say they are to shift into. Maybe this is what I need to get me to install my under armor.. idk guess I just need to get under it and do some adjusting til it works correctly
The Z gate is just a mechanical thing in the floor that affects the handle. It has pretty much nothing to do with the actual linkage or the shifting. When you play with the linkage you'll see it is very easy to move the locked in points around so they are in different places than the Z gate would suggest.
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Unread 09-25-2013, 12:58 PM   #7
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The Z gate is just a mechanical thing in the floor that affects the handle. It has pretty much nothing to do with the actual linkage or the shifting. When you play with the linkage you'll see it is very easy to move the locked in points around so they are in different places than the Z gate would suggest.
Ok I may take the weekend to get under it and play with it until it works... thanks biffgnar ill see what I can do with it this weekend and post back up here with more questions as I have them
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Does the Novak kit do away with the Z-gate ?

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Unread 09-25-2013, 01:32 PM   #9
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Does the Novak kit do away with the Z-gate ?

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Novak's cable kit does not. It connects underneath the tub to where the handle comes through and does not require doing anything to the tub, handle, console, etc. There is an older Novak kit that was not cable based, was a lot more work to install and that did do away with the Z gate (and may have reversed the shift pattern also). I doubt they are selling any more of those given how good the cable kit is.
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Unread 09-25-2013, 01:51 PM   #10
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Did your bl come with the linkage drop bracket? Did you use it? Do you have a t-case drop as well?
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Unread 09-25-2013, 01:58 PM   #11
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Did your bl come with the linkage drop bracket? Did you use it? Do you have a t-case drop as well?
Yeah it came with one but didnt use it since I installed a mml at the same time. And no on the transfer case drop im only running a 2" lift on an lj.
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I'll say this with the caveat that YMMV, but I've got 1"BL / MML, extreme tummy tuck, no TC drop or lever drop kit. I was able to get the OEM mechanics to work with that, but it took adjusting / testing.
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Unread 09-25-2013, 02:19 PM   #13
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I had a very similar issue in my tj. Threw the Novak cable shifter in and it let everything settle in nice as well smoothing the shift out a little bit. You'll be much happier with the cable shifter in.
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