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post #1 of 28 Old 08-31-2010, 09:16 AM Thread Starter
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Track bar delete

Are there any suspension kits on the market that delete the track bar on the front and the track bar on the rear that still retain drive ability on the road? I know there are ones like the full traction kits that get ride of the track bar on the rear allowing more suspension movement on the rear but those kits still use the track bar on the front which in my opinion doesn't really make since. Why still limit the front suspension while making the rear more flexable.

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post #2 of 28 Old 08-31-2010, 09:28 AM
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It is more difficult to setup a front suspension with no track bar due to the engine being in the way of triangulating the links.
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Are there any suspension kits on the market that delete the track bar on the front and the track bar on the rear that still retain drive ability on the road? I know there are ones like the full traction kits that get ride of the track bar on the rear allowing more suspension movement on the rear but those kits still use the track bar on the front which in my opinion doesn't really make since. Why still limit the front suspension while making the rear more flexable.
Track bars don't limit suspension. Anyone that understands suspension knows that you prefer a front trackbar unless you want to go with full hydraulic steering. Having a front trackbar lets you dial in your draglink to eliminate bumpsteer.

The only advantage you get with removing it in the rear is making it easier to dial in any frame mods because you eliminate the axle shift. That comes with a huge expense of modifying the exhaust in time with some money thrown at it and you will still be compromised with a less than stellar solution.

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post #4 of 28 Old 08-31-2010, 09:38 AM
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Teraflex is the only one I know of that produced a TJ suspension like this, and I'm fairly certain they no longer make it.

Its difficult to make the front suspension with triangulated uppers because of the oil pan and the front driveshaft being in the way.

Also, since the front axle is a steering axle, there is a lot more side to side movement and force induced. The track bar does a nice job keeping the axle under the Jeep.
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post #5 of 28 Old 08-31-2010, 10:47 AM
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Teraflex has a nice idea, but I don't know how road-worthy that is. You could triangulate like they do by installing your front upper control arm mounts up above the frame. But you would still want to go full-hydro steering (which wouldn't be very good for the road).

MrBlaine has some very good ideas to keep flexability with a front trackbar.

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Teraflex is the only I know of. I even called them about it but I can't see how you can get it to clear the oilpan and exhaust without at least a 6" lift and it wouldn't stuff the wheels very well. They never responded to my questions. I vote no on it...

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The only advantage you get with removing it in the rear is making it easier to dial in any frame mods because you eliminate the axle shift. That comes with a huge expense of modifying the exhaust in time with some money thrown at it and you will still be compromised with a less than stellar solution.
I have the triangulated "J" arm 4 link in the rear. It works much better than a suspension setup with a track bar...
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I dont have a track bar in the rear ( 4-link ) but I only did it because all the other kids were
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I have the triangulated "J" arm 4 link in the rear. It works much better than a suspension setup with a track bar...
It works better than some rear set-ups with a trackbar. It does not work better than any set up with a trackbar.

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I've done some street rods with a jacobs ladder setup. Dont know if it will work in a jeep or not. just a differant idea
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So how do you guys with triangulated uppers remedy your exhaust issues?

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So how do you guys with triangulated uppers remedy your exhaust issues?
Cut, bend and weld the pipe and hangers...
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super cool tiny mufflers that sound just okay with a turn down just past the belly pan. duh

I believe in my build theres a pic of my jeep with the belly facing the sun where you can see my setup pretty clear. Ill see if I can find it.
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whoopsies.

if you look close you can see the little pipe coming off the pass side of the belly pan. Thats my fart can.

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So how do you guys with triangulated uppers remedy your exhaust issues?
Cut and bend and in the case of the one I'm doing now, a pair of tiny Spin Tech mufflers in line with each other.

We spend too much time in the dust to do a turn down, so it has to exit past the gas tank and then shoot out to the side at a 45 angle. Not high enough to scorch dry plants, not low enough to stir up the most dust.

That and I've seen far too many melted gas tanks to ever exit in front of one with any kind of a turn down.

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