[Rivka]

(EDIT:this has turned into a long thread with many great things, and many folks' installs. my pictures of the installed fenders start on page 6, enjoy)

Ok, I have TnT Tube fenders heading my way, (yippie!)
There is a few stock and after market things that these full bolt on replacement fenders don't play well with.
Stock Air Filter box, Stock Windshield water bottle, possibly dual battery set ups. Anything else people have encountered? What solutions have folks used to the various conflicts with these fenders?



Ok so down to the figuring out part....
Air Filter
And I know that it says you need some sort of after market air filter solution, because there is no longer room for the stock one.
My issue is two fold
- I drive in a lot of dusty areas and from what I have heard most after-market ones are about increasing air intake and therefor would let in more of that very bad dust. Not to mention I hear they are very loud some time due to not having the trumpet to adjust airflow like it does in the stock set up
-Secondly these things cost a fortune! and I would be ok paying bucks for something that was truly better but to fork it over for something that is less healthy for my jeep just sucks!

So....
-What are people running with a TnT fender set up, please let us see pictures
-Has anyone found a way to reuse the stock system, modded in some way?
-Who knows of after market ones that are geared for quality rather than quantity of air
I ended up useing the Buick method, read more below, I am very happy with it.

Windshield water bottle
what options are people using here? I have heard from some that the stock one still works and others that say it does not?
Someone mentioned using a stock one from a older jeep, what year?
Is this a conflict that could possibly be fixed by heating up the stock bottle and reforming it to the new space?? I got the idea from folks talking about doing that to snorkel pipes
EDITED UPDATE: Washer fits after small mod in new area, see below for details
Dual Batteries
I currently have a Mean Green Dual Battery Tray set up and need to find out if I need to mod it any to make it work, there had been some talk but no confirmation either way, I can't be the first that has needed this?
Anyone run any brand or type of dual set up with TnT fenders?
I personally am looking forward the the whole install because I am using it as the excuse to rewire all of my hood side electrical upgrades, add one more fuse box and put some upgrades battery terminal clamps on that I have had laying around for ages.

EDITED UPDATE: mean grean tray are known to fit, I can confirm that it does, was a bit of a hassle and the connection wires needed some adaptations, read more below

[Rivka]

Ok So far so good. I have them most installed and here is the things i encountered or needed

Wiper fluid bottle fits in the recess right in front of the driver fire wall, you need to melt and bend the bottom front tab so that it sticks straight down, you can then use that to secure it from below after you have it in place.

I had a part of the inner front fender hitting my steering ujoint, some aggressive bending of the edge of the metal right there fixed things, i will clean up the bend when i remove them to paint.
I basically had to curl the sheet over

the is another part of the metal that hit the coolant overflow bottle, i cant seem to bend the metal how i would like to, i have put a guard up in-between them to make sure it does not abrade the plastic bottle, will look at bending or cutting more out when i take it off to paint

had a real pita time fitting some parts on just where i wanted them to go, but everything fit on the passenger side in the end, doing driver side today

when for a two stage blinker solution, i have these nice motorcycle free standing ones that are going on my front bumper and 2.5 flush mount flange ones that are going in the side behind the flare to make me visible from the side. i like the set up a lot

will update again soon

[Rivka]

oh and blinkers, just found a new option and so was wondering if i had missed any other ideas before i start cutting

Blinkers
from what i gather there are a few options
• Put ones under your headlights ala CJ's and the new JK, this can be either LED or standard and even the old ones from your stock fenders, there is some issues about how to wire them to work just right, many people go this route. This option would match my rear flush LED's nicely

• Put Led in the edge of your side tubes, or hang something right under your tubes, this requires doing some handy work and the inside the tubes don't seems noticeable enough but i have never seen them in person, still a bit too high tech looking for me.
But wow, this guy did a amazing job at his, really polished!
Put something on top of the fender, very old school truck style. i thought these looked kinda cool, and very visible from front and side

• Lastly i just got turned on to these Headlights that include turn signals form AutoNik. wow great product, Does anyone have them installed? I was wondering how the wiring was and if they fit good in the Stock headlight buckets? They don't show any blinker to the side so may not be a total solution but are a neat addition to the field

any other different options folks have done or seen?

EDITED UPDATE: I went for the turn signals on top of my fenders and picked out a nice set made for motorcycles, you can see the details on page 5 post 61

[iismet]

I could not see how to make the stock water bottle work very nicely so I purchased a bottle and pump for a CJ7 and mounted on the back of the drivers fender across from the firewall.

[Rivka]

where did you get it from? got a picture?

[Rivka]

ok with all the folks on here , there has got to be quite a few with TnT fenders, let me know what you on with it....

[Unlimited04]

holy repetitive posting batman.

from colorado4x4.org:
http://picasaweb.google.com/XdAxles/JeepBuildUp
http://www.colorado4x4.org/vbb/showthread.php?t=94603&highlight=TNT

read up and you'll see it ain't that bit of a deal

[Scorpion]

Washer Bottle: All factory components (except the air box) will work with your tube fenders. We never have had to go aftermarket on any of our in-shop installs. Not all components go exactly where they used to go but move a few inches this way or that (all within the confines of the wires attached) and it will work.

Air Box: Cannot use the factory unit. The clearance gain given by the tube fenders removes the "indent" in the fender where the factory box used to go. You'll likely need to use an aftermarket intake system that uses a cone style filter. There are quite a few on the market. 4WheelParts or similar parts wharehouses/stores could help you go in the right direction on this one.

Blinkers: If you want to retain your running lights and turn signals, you'll be looking for a dual filiment style light. If you can live without the running lights, you can use this type of light from TruckLite.com.



It's a 3/4" bright led that you can install in the face of the fender.

MeanGreen Dual Battery: This does work with the Replacement Fenders. It has been done quite a few times without issue. Once you get the fenders bolted on, put it where it used to go and you'll be pleasently suprised.

Hint - you may want to fit the fenders prior to painting them so you don't scratch your paint while attaching the accessories. Doing so will result in a much cleaner install!

Matt
T&T Customs.

[UTWeezul]

Just throwing this out there since you have LEDs in the rear already. Haven't people had problems with LEDs front and rear and not being able to get them to blink? I've thought about putting LEDs in the rear but I already have them up front for my tube fenders. I went with some 2 inch LEDs in the grill. I picked them up from Advance Auto Parts for $11 each and they work for parking lights and signals. I just spliced into the marker lights that were on the flares. I know some companies make filter wraps that would also help to filter out the dust better than just the cone filter alone. I took in quite a bit of dust with my cone filter the other day due to it being so dry at Windrock.

[Scorpion]

Originally Posted by UTWeezul

Just throwing this out there since you have LEDs in the rear already. Haven't people had problems with LEDs front and rear and not being able to get them to blink? I've thought about putting LEDs in the rear but I already have them up front for my tube fenders. I went with some 2 inch LEDs in the grill. I picked them up from Advance Auto Parts for $11 each and they work for parking lights and signals. I just spliced into the marker lights that were on the flares. I know some companies make filter wraps that would also help to filter out the dust better than just the cone filter alone. I took in quite a bit of dust with my cone filter the other day due to it being so dry at Windrock.

The blinking problem is the result of too little resistance to make the signal close correctly and the result is a fast blink. To solve this you need to do a simple fix which is documented on many forums for a couple of years now. It's all simple parts you can easily get at Radio Shack. I'm not an electrical guy (my partner is) and, if I'm recalling correctly, this issue is limited to newer jeeps which is directly related to technology.

There are many types of cone filters available today. Some are cheapies which are nothing more than paper filters. Others are actually quite high-tech and flow much better than others while maintaining improved filtration ability. Some even come with foam wraps to get out the big stuff and prevent it from getting into the main filter body. The good ones are cleanable too. Big plus since they're not $15.

[Rivka]

Originally Posted by Unlimited04

holy repetitive posting batman.

from colorado4x4.org:
http://picasaweb.google.com/XdAxles/JeepBuildUp
http://www.colorado4x4.org/vbb/showthread.php?t=94603&highlight=TNT

read up and you'll see it ain't that bit of a deal

not sure why you posted this way, you tell me i am posting something that is already up (with a bit of attitude i might add) and them link me to two sites that have none of the technical questions i have addresses in any way and are on different boards and are basically just folks showing off their jeeps.

If you don't have constructive things to say, don't bother posting. I was asking specific questions that i figure showed that i have done tons of reading and still have a few thoughts unanswered.

[Rivka]

Originally Posted by Scorpion

Washer Bottle: All factory components (except the air box) will work with your tube fenders. We never have had to go aftermarket on any of our in-shop installs. Not all components go exactly where they used to go but move a few inches this way or that (all within the confines of the wires attached) and it will work.

good info, do you have any pictures or details on where the washer bottle goes? or it is just in that space in front of the fire wall and however i figure out how to attach it, it that is al it is, then no prob, i am good at jimmying things, i was just checking that if i should be hunting down a different bottle before i was stuck half way through, i had heard from another person putting these fenders on that they had to get a older bottle.

Air Box: Cannot use the factory unit. The clearance gain given by the tube fenders removes the "indent" in the fender where the factory box used to go. You'll likely need to use an aftermarket intake system that uses a cone style filter. There are quite a few on the market. 4WheelParts or similar parts wharehouses/stores could help you go in the right direction on this one.

Still have the same anoying question, what brands can i look at for high quality clean air and low noise, i know where to go to a auto shop, the problem is they always advertise about power and that is in conflict to what matters to me. Anyone got a suggestion or am i on my own here?

Blinkers: If you want to retain your running lights and turn signals, you'll be looking for a dual filiment style light. If you can live wwithout the running lights, you can use [sniped pictures]
It's a 3/4" bright led that you can install in the face of the fender.

Thanks fir the suggestions again i was asking about thought on other locations rathe than the CJ style route, but thanks for the "dual filament" tip, that helps when i am looking

MeanGreen Dual Battery: This does work with the Replacement Fenders. It has been done quite a few times without issue. Once you get the fenders bolted on, put it where it used to go and you'll be pleasently suprised.

thank you thank you thank you, i have been looking for that info from someone that has actually put one in for many months, such a relief! i was willing to be the guinea pig and jimmy it in, nice to know it has been done before.

Hint - you may want to fit the fenders prior to painting them so you don't scratch your paint while attaching the accessories. Doing so will result in a much cleaner install!
Matt
T&T Customs.

yeah i plan too, good advice, it will be strange as this is my DD and i don't get to work on it at my home. should be an adventure, i look forward to it!

[Unlimited04]

Originally Posted by Rivka

not sure why you posted this way, you tell me i am posting something that is already up (with a bit of attitude i might add) and them link me to two sites that have none of the technical questions i have addresses in any way and are on different boards and are basically just folks showing off their jeeps.

If you don't have constructive things to say, don't bother posting. I was asking specific questions that i figure showed that i have done tons of reading and still have a few thoughts unanswered.

you wanted pics...plenty of them in those threads and pics.

sorry to waste your time.

[Rivka]

Originally Posted by Unlimited04

Air Intake:buy a K&N from AutoZone and get some PVC from the hardware store, or just put the K&N on the end of your factory tube if you're cheap.

it is well known that K&N suck for dust, because they are designed to have high airflow. And that site did not even talk about it, if all i needed was a picture i would have looked at a catalog from auto zone weeks ago, duh

Washer Bottle:
(picture removed for brevity)

Again he made no mention if it was the stock bottle or did not bother to show how we mounted it, again does me no friggin good, i knew it worked for some, and not for others so i was asking for details as to why the discrepancy

Single battery:
(picture removed for brevity)
see above pic in Air Intake section for TnT's replacement battery tray. you will probably have to fab your own dual battery setup using your mean green, or maybe you'll get lucky enough to hammer some stuff a bit and get it to work.

Will you please stop talking about stuff you are just guessing on, looking at a picture like that gives me no info i did not have yesterday. Matt was helpful and give me the info regarding this, nuff said

the silver LJ above is using LED motorcycle turn signals.
the white one is using what looks like trailer style turn signals
you could also cut a hole in the grill and reuse your existing side markers or rectangles.

same info i gave you in the first post, so why are you spewing it back at me?

but hey, i guess the two sites i just linked and got those pics from had nothing to do with TnT fenders
sorry to waste your time.

all they had to to with it is that they have them and have pretty pictures that were nice to see. If my questions had been "what do they look like and how much flex do you get" they would have been more useful. But in this case you did kinda waste my time, and i wasted more of it bothering to respond, my bad.

[sparkeep]

I'm in the same boat. Me and some buddies ordered 4 pairs of the TNT fenders and are patiently (excitedly) awating them to arrive.

I have no idea what I'm going to do yet about the air box but I know I don't want to put on a short ram intake.

I'm pretty sure I can work something out about the washer bottle.

I've half installed the itegrated turn signal headlights. The headlights are installed but the turn signals are not hooked up until the fenders are gone (so people don't look at the fender signals and miss the headlight ones).

As soon as I have any answers/details, I'll post. Let me know how your install goes if you get yours first. Me and my friends have wranglers from a variety of years. I'm a 2005 Rubi and one of my buddies has a 2000 sport.

Everything should go fine I just can't wait.