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Unread 08-24-2010, 08:31 PM   #1
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TJs with bolt patterns other than 5x4.5?

I'm curious to see what kind of bolt patterns you guys are running on your TJs and why? (Sorry, no tons or swaps at this time. ) So for those of you running a conversion kit or something custom, fill me in please.

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Unread 08-24-2010, 09:41 PM   #2
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I'm curious to see what kind of bolt patterns you guys are running on your TJs and why? (Sorry, no tons or swaps at this time. ) So for those of you running a conversion kit or something custom, fill me in please.
Why, what difference does it make?
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Unread 08-24-2010, 11:36 PM   #3
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I'm curious to see what kind of bolt patterns you guys are running on your TJs and why? (Sorry, no tons or swaps at this time. ) So for those of you running a conversion kit or something custom, fill me in please.
i honestly dont have any kind of serious conversion done to my front axle but the main one that i can think of is the Warn locking hub conversion. there are actually 2 hub conversions from Warn (as well as other names). one is a standard 5x4.5 kit and the other, i believe, is a 5x5 kit. and since its more than just a hassle to have 2 different bolt patterns its just logical to get a pair of 5x5 rear axle shafts and the proper drums/rotors (as well as any other necessary hardware). the larger bolt pattern wont be stronger than the standard 5x4.5.

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Why, what difference does it make?
none, really. sounds like he just wants to know why there are other bolt patterns on some peoples TJ's.
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...sounds like he just wants to know why there are other bolt patterns on some peoples TJ's.
There's only two reasons for a non-stock wheel bolt pattern. You've either decided to run a non-stock axle or non-stock wheels that have something other than 5x4.5.
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Unread 08-25-2010, 11:20 AM   #5
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Well the deal is I want to run 17s on my TJ, the 16" moabs are fine, but i don't like the amount of sidewall with 35's cause I feel it's too flexible on a DD.

The problem is I'm having difficulty finding wheels that look good with the 5x4.5 bolt pattern and in the 17" flavor. I also would like to upgrade my brakes at the same time as I switch over to 35s so I was thinking:

I would do the WJ Knuckles and Calipers upgrade and keep the 5x5 bolt pattern and run some JK Rubi Wheels and tires since they look decent.

The back I figure I could either have the rear rotors and axle shafts re drilled or get some custom shafts from superior.

That way I could run good looking 17s on my TJ and have upgraded brakes.

The issue I see here is the front shafts, which I hear there are ways around.

Does this seem crazy to anyone else? It seems fairly logical to me for what I'm looking for.
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Well the deal is I want to run 17s on my TJ, the 16" moabs are fine, but i don't like the amount of sidewall with 35's cause I feel it's too flexible on a DD.

The problem is I'm having difficulty finding wheels that look good with the 5x4.5 bolt pattern and in the 17" flavor. I also would like to upgrade my brakes at the same time as I switch over to 35s so I was thinking:

I would do the WJ Knuckles and Calipers upgrade and keep the 5x5 bolt pattern and run some JK Rubi Wheels and tires since they look decent.

The back I figure I could either have the rear rotors and axle shafts re drilled or get some custom shafts from superior.

That way I could run good looking 17s on my TJ and have upgraded brakes.

The issue I see here is the front shafts, which I hear there are ways around.

Does this seem crazy to anyone else? It seems fairly logical to me for what I'm looking for.
Do you happen to know the backspacing on the JK rims? Start there.
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I believe you will find that the JK rims have too little back spacing. Some SpyderTrax wheel spacer could fix your backspacing issues and your rear bolt pattern issue all at once.
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Unread 08-25-2010, 12:03 PM   #8
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Well if it's that tough to do it all why not just skip the WJ knuckles and run some Pintlers?

The wheel spacers are $200 for the set plus shipping and lug nuts. The JK wheels and tires would be in the $500 range so probably $850 for all that by the time its said and done.

The good I have 17s, and some hopefully decent tires.
The bad is I have small brakes, I'm stuck running spacers.

If doing it the way I described I would get bigger brakes and steering components. I would ideally not have to run spacers (but it sounds like I will anyway since the BS is 6.25" vs the 5" of the TJ moab) and bolt on the JK Rubi wheels. Since the wheels would be involved in both scenarios that's a wash. So it ends up costing whatever the WJ upgrade costs + the machine work on the rear.

The good 17s bigger brakes, heavier steering stuff and no spacers.
The bad might not be feasible. Due to the BS issue and the front shafts.

The final option is snag a set of pintlers, but at $200 a piece that's kind of cost prohibitive. Since it would be another 12-1500 for tires. But then I'm still stuck with small brakes.
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Well if it's that tough to do it all why not just skip the WJ knuckles and run some Pintlers?

The wheel spacers are $200 for the set plus shipping and lug nuts. The JK wheels and tires would be in the $500 range so probably $850 for all that by the time its said and done.

The good I have 17s, and some hopefully decent tires.
The bad is I have small brakes, I'm stuck running spacers.

If doing it the way I described I would get bigger brakes and steering components. I would ideally not have to run spacers (but it sounds like I will anyway since the BS is 6.25" vs the 5" of the TJ moab) and bolt on the JK Rubi wheels. Since the wheels would be involved in both scenarios that's a wash. So it ends up costing whatever the WJ upgrade costs + the machine work on the rear.

The good 17s bigger brakes, heavier steering stuff and no spacers.
The bad might not be feasible. Due to the BS issue and the front shafts.

The final option is snag a set of pintlers, but at $200 a piece that's kind of cost prohibitive. Since it would be another 12-1500 for tires. But then I'm still stuck with small brakes.
The single best way to do what you're trying to do is with Van's "brackets O' death".

Expensive, but if you follow the Savvy test mule build, it's an awesome solution.

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Well the deal is I want to run 17s on my TJ, the 16" moabs are fine, but i don't like the amount of sidewall with 35's cause I feel it's too flexible on a DD.

The problem is I'm having difficulty finding wheels that look good with the 5x4.5 bolt pattern and in the 17" flavor. .
17" Moabs (look alikes) 5x4.5 Mamba Offroad Type MR-1 Wheels - Quadratec
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Well I'm impressed... Those were my next two questions, what can I do for brakes, and what other wheels are there?

Still $900 worth more like cost of wheels unfortunately.

Time to flip through the test mule build again.
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I believe you will find that the JK rims have too little back spacing. Some SpyderTrax wheel spacer could fix your backspacing issues and your rear bolt pattern issue all at once.
JK wheels have too much backspacing, not too little.
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Unread 08-25-2010, 07:36 PM   #13
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JK wheels have too much backspacing, not too little.
I thought that read a little funny..

So I was trucking through the stock TJ specs and found that most of the wheels are backspaced to 5.5" and then I had to go over to the JK forum and look up JK rubi BS and come to find some people say 6.25" some say 6".

So now this brings me to this question why won't my seemingly idiotic and unnecessary plan work? Aside from the front axle shaft issue? I doubt it's a BS issue since the difference is between .5" and .75" depending on who is using what measuring device.
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8 on 6.5.

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8 on 6.5.

I hate you and everything you stand for.. so when are you going to bring that machine my way? I can find space in the garage.

In all seriousness, I love Hutchinson Rock Monsters, and the Walker Evans Beadlocks, oh and the KXs look great! Believe me if I could run either of those I would then I could skip all these other shenanigans.
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