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Unread 12-21-2014, 08:34 AM   #1
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Tj Rubicon tire chains

Had some problems yesterday. Got stuck 4lo and the lockers would not get me out. Can I run chains or will it break something I have heard both ways wondering if there is a definite answer.

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Unread 12-21-2014, 09:26 AM   #2
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Stock tire size? I often run chains on my 2wd work trucks and vans, but have no experience using them with 4wd vehicles. Chains belong on drive tires, so on a Jeep you would at least chain the rear and possibly the front if in 4wd. Other concerns are clearances front/rear around the shocks,, coils, sway bar etc. There isn't much room in there and chains can get pretty bulky where the ends connect. Also, if the front is chained, then you will rub, grab and tear on the front end during full turns.

A winch and shovel helps. Lockers are useless when the tires can't get traction like when you are resting on the skid plate. Chains need something to grab onto as well. Snow can trap you when you least suspect it. Even in June.
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Unread 12-21-2014, 09:44 AM   #3
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4 inch lift, Moabs, and 285/75r16 tires.
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Close enough to my setup. All my concerns still apply. Get yourself a winch and shovel. And the smart guys will tell you to never wheel alone! More importantly, watch the road ahead of you and don't get yourself into something you can't get out of.
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Unread 12-21-2014, 09:55 AM   #5
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I have a winch and a shovel that's how we got it out yesterday. was not really wheeling just going to a shooting spot. I have just heard that you cant use chains on a Rubicon.
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There is nothing specific to the Rubicon compared to any other TJ that would not allow chains. Its a matter of clearances against the peculiarities of your setup and equipment. I suppose a stock base Wrangler with 29" tires has more room than a stock Rubicon with ~31"s. Chains can get bulky while the lighter duty and less effective cables are more compact. Putting chains on in the first place can sometimes be tricky or really unpleasant. When I teach my guys in the parking lot, I make sure to stress that one rarely does this on the road in favorable conditions. Last Monday in Snowmass, we had to chain up a Sprinter van at the base of a long unplowed and icy switchback "driveway" in the dark with one wheel buried in the ditch. Highly unpleasant, except that I took advantage of the teachable moment and made my new guy do the hard work.
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Lower tire pressure I heard helps.
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Not like it does in JV! Depending on the qualities of the snow, sometimes it works to cut through and get down to solid ground. That assumes you can get there before the Jeep is resting on its belly like a giant snowshoe. Hard snow or wet snow is a different matter.
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Unless you have lots of clearance, tire chains can cause problems when big oversize tires are taking up extra room in the wheel wells. If you need more traction than your tires can provide, tire cables might do the job. While not as aggressive as chains, tire cables don't need as much clearance but they still add substantial traction in slick, especially icy, conditions.
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Unread 12-21-2014, 01:21 PM   #11
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What Jerry said. I'm looking at my Jeep right now. In the rear well there is just over an inch of room between the upper spring bucket and the tire sidewall. There really isn't room back there for the chains I am used to using. Any chain/cable device would need to be very low profile. There is room up front, but you would really need to be careful with sharp turns.
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Unread 12-21-2014, 05:04 PM   #12
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The key is clearance. If you space out the wheels and have enough lift for the size of tires you are running you will be ok. You also must get them on correct and tight. You have to be careful because they will do some damage.

I live in Denver and the group I run with uses them all the time when doing snow runs. Some just chain one axle some do both. I run one set on the rear tires. Mine are cut down semi chains with the cam adjusters.

I'm good at chaining because I drive a semi and we are forever having to chain up in the mountains. To be legal when the chain law is in effect for commercial vehicles you have to chain four drive tires. That's a lot of work with truck chains and sometimes may have to do it several times on a run if I'm going over several passes.
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What conditions were you in? offroading in snow can require a lot of the skinny pedal, and that aint gonna happen in 4lo. I do a winter run with a group of rovers, and those who are not locked run chains on all 4 tires. Very rarely are we ever in lo gear. Its usually low tire pressure and a lot of RPMs. Be careful though, if you are adding RPMs and the chains grab a hold of something firm, something is bound to break loose and it isn't always the tire chains...
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Unread 12-21-2014, 06:11 PM   #14
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I posted in the shooting thread... Where were you at on Squaw Pass/CO-103?

EDIT: That spot is on the north face of Squaw Mountain. There is 8" of snow on top of snow pack. That spot will not be free of snow likely not before the first spring thaw... If you got stuck on the hill side there is a drainage ditch on that side. Been there done that just a couple miles further up 103...

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Unread 12-23-2014, 10:23 PM   #15
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Low Pressure and Feather the Pedal

I go wheeling in Sierra snow every year. I'm always amazed how fast I lose traction with highway air in my tires. As soon as I drop the air down to about 12psi I'm back to walking on top. I don't use high horsepower either. My stock Rubicon lockers won't let me go over 10 mph with all 4 locked. So I put it in low, lock all 4 and feather the pedal. I rarely get stuck. If I do it's time to winch. But hey that's half the fun.
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