Agreed that it CAN be a limiting factor, but not always. For example, my shocks and springs would work with stock bumpstops***. I have 2" stops for tire clearance issues. I know a lot of guys would say 2" bumpstops + 1.25" BL is more than enough for 33x12.50's on my backspacing, but i've also grazed my fenders flexed out, and 1" bumpstop was definitly not enough.
shocks longer than 22.5" are a limiting factor, they have longer bodies for longer travel, when they bottom out the stock bump stops don't contact axle pad.
I guess I meant shocks SHOULDN'T be a limiting factor ASSUMING a track bar with the correct bend in it and no tire contact issues. Shock length should only determine bump stop length if the shocks are going to bottom out, and i assume anyone with shocks that bottom out are going to run into other trouble sooner or later.
I'd like to see/come up a definate solution to track bar problems with your set up using 22.5" shocks an stock bumpstop.. I have an idea now, just need some more input.
I think that the track bar manufacturers need to just recognize that people are doing more LCG lifts (not that mine is particularly posterchild LCG, but lower than most).
my rubi when stock never rubbed any paint on the underside of the fenders with stock mtr's and it was flexed beyond flexed.... IMO rubbing the flares is not a problem.. but thats another subject,
I appreciate your input.
Definitly agreed, i'll take a lil rubber to plastic contact and 'fuggedaboutit'. I believe i definitly had fender contact though, albeit through the plastic inner flare pushing up on the metal fender which made a nice noise and was slightly bent. Although I hate the cliche, 'every jeep is *slightly* different'.
I'll note i also bent the rear lower corner of the psg side front fender at the joint with the flare. I have to admit, i'm not sure how, but one day i looked and it was bent. Not sure if there was a rock or stick that got involved...
Slightly off topic, but i kept the stock control arms and carry a spare. I couldn't justify the price of aftermarket control arms of stock lenth since many designs would actually limit overall flex and add more stress to the frame mounts. I have chewed up stock control arms though and would like the durability of aftermarket ones without sacrificing bushing flex and the flex of stock stamped steel. I think some people lose some flex / or add a large amount of stress to frame mounts because the aftermarket ones are too rigid unless they have a flex joint.
Also, if you don't set up your spherical ball joint track bar with the correct relaxed position that will also limit flex. It may seem like I'm slightly contradicting myself since i previously said i'd sacrafice the theoretical flex of longer shocks (CA and TB bind come into play) but i like to do as much as possible for any given design change.
The flex on the drivers side and passenger side is slightly different due to track bar bind, and max uptravel is slightly effected by bind or shock length limiting down travel.
Although a reinforced track bar frame mount would be nice since i think the stock one flexes too much, it's not everybodies top priority. I dont' like the idea of moving that location and effecting the drop pitman arm. I think that this contact can be designed out by someone competent with a tube bender who has access too and actually cares about lower lift height jeeps and looking at the issue. A bracket that reinforces the stock track bar frame mount but doesn't move the bolt hole would be optimum to me. It would be optional and minimizes installation error.
Keep up the good work mudb8, maybe some mfg will regonize the problem.