Tire bead unseating Tech - Page 3

**Kiwi** · 12-03-2007, 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Jeepinty

Had they been pulling the tire the other way for some reason, the tire would have unseated rather easily.

Probably not in this case, they are beadlocks

**ChiliPalmer** · 12-03-2007, 02:44 PM

With the strap around the rim also I wouldn't expect the bead to break. I could be wrong, probably am, but when pulling in that direction the strap would stop at the rim and then at that point you're only applying more inward pressure (pushing the tire into the rim) and only at very minimial points due to the deflection of the strap i.e. put a wide belt on a fat guy and you'll see the edges of the belt will not compress as much as the inner portion of the strap. Due to this I would think that the any real pressure being applied would be roughly 1" or so, depending on the width of the strap of course, and as mentioned it would be pushing the tire in? Maybe as the strap stretches it will tend to pull the tire a little bit but I'm sure it would just slide on the tire as opposed to actually gripping it and pulling it?

I would imagine if the tire was recently installed there would be a greater chance of it coming off the bead as opposed to a tire that's been on the rim for a while...?

Now where's that flame suit at...

EDIT: If you could wrap it so the strap was pulling on the tire independent of the rim then it would probably break the bead...

Jeepinty · 12-03-2007, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by stjjames

Happened easier than I would have cared for . . .

Didn't say impossible just harder than the face side.

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Originally Posted by Kiwi

Probably not in this case, they are beadlocks

Thanks Captain Obvious

**mrblaine** · 12-03-2007, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeepinty

Thanks Captain Obvious

He can sorta be Captain Obvious, it was his rim and tire I was pulling on.

**mrblaine** · 12-03-2007, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Chili Palmer

With the strap around the rim also I wouldn't expect the bead to break. I could be wrong, probably am, but when pulling in that direction the strap would stop at the rim and then at that point you're only applying more inward pressure (pushing the tire into the rim)

No, as the pulling force increases, the strap tries to close up to it's smallest dimension. Hitting the rim only makes the tread portion of the two sides try to meet each other.

Coincindentally, almost exactly like you trying to debead a tire on the trail, only we were doing to opposite sides.

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and only at very minimial points due to the deflection of the strap i.e. put a wide belt on a fat guy and you'll see the edges of the belt will not compress as much as the inner portion of the strap. Due to this I would think that the any real pressure being applied would be roughly 1" or so, depending on the width of the strap of course, and as mentioned it would be pushing the tire in? Maybe as the strap stretches it will tend to pull the tire a little bit but I'm sure it would just slide on the tire as opposed to actually gripping it and pulling it?

I would imagine if the tire was recently installed there would be a greater chance of it coming off the bead as opposed to a tire that's been on the rim for a while...?

Now where's that flame suit at...

EDIT: If you could wrap it so the strap was pulling on the tire independent of the rim then it would probably break the bead...

I guess this is one of those "you had to be there" to understand the amount of force being exerted on that tire.

For the record, that's not a recovery sling. It's a lifting sling with no stretch.

**Steelman** · 12-03-2007, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by mrblaine

He can sorta be Captain Obvious, it was his rim and tire I was pulling on.

I thought that was his Jeep. Guess I shoulda stayed around camp an extra day or two...this would have been something to see!

Brimmstone · 12-03-2007, 05:08 PM

I usually carry an old duck bill hammer in my jeep to fix tires out in the sticks. I bought it years ago from a tool truck along with a pair of large tire irons. All you have to do is smack the tire close to the bead with the duckbill in a couple areas and most tires come right off the bead. As to the earlier post about lighter fluid and a ratchet strap for reseating the bead I have done both many times You need to pull the valve core and have a clip on tire chuck to do the lighter fluid trick. I won't go into how to do it for safety reasons but it works every time. I use it for tires that have been left on the side for a while and have collapsed where they won't seat normally.

solarpower · 12-03-2007, 05:11 PM

My MTR's (31" with the E load rating) are a PITA to break the bead, unless you are doing donuts in the sand and find a hard spot.

When I cut the valve stem on a rock and tried to break the bead we had 2 jeeps, 1 on each side of the tire and nothing. it took a tow rig (cummins IIRC) to get the bead to finally pop.....

using beer as a lubricant does help re-seat the bead.

tommaho · 12-13-2007, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Jerry Bransford

Here's a link to that Australian "Tyrepliers Bead Breaker" kit I mentioned above... a little pricey but worth it the first time you need it... http://www.offroadrecovery.com/product/TYREPLIERS/TYREPLIERS_DELUXE_KIT,_OFFROAD_TIRE_REPAIR_TOOL.ht ml

Just a quick note that offroadrecovery.com appears to be out of business. Here's (www.extremeoutback.com) the other place I've found these here in the states. Don't see any kits here with the pliers, plug kit, and bars all in one package though.

Tom

Brimmstone · 12-13-2007, 01:07 PM

Thanks for the link. I've been looking for another cable puller for years and they have them also. Again thanks for the link.

12-03-2007, 05:08 PM	#37
Brimmstone Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Ohio Posts: 24 Profile Gallery Classifieds My Jeeps	I usually carry an old duck bill hammer in my jeep to fix tires out in the sticks. I bought it years ago from a tool truck along with a pair of large tire irons. All you have to do is smack the tire close to the bead with the duckbill in a couple areas and most tires come right off the bead. As to the earlier post about lighter fluid and a ratchet strap for reseating the bead I have done both many times You need to pull the valve core and have a clip on tire chuck to do the lighter fluid trick. I won't go into how to do it for safety reasons but it works every time. I use it for tires that have been left on the side for a while and have collapsed where they won't seat normally.

12-13-2007, 01:07 PM	#40
Brimmstone Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Ohio Posts: 24 Profile Gallery Classifieds My Jeeps	Thanks for the link. I've been looking for another cable puller for years and they have them also. Again thanks for the link.