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post #1 of 31 Old 08-08-2010, 08:55 PM Thread Starter
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Is it time for new axles? (bigger shafts)

I have a 2005 Wrangler Unlimited with a 4" short arm lift, D44 in the rear (limited slip) and an open D30 in the front. I currently have the stock 3.73s and Im running 33s. I need to get ARB lockers within the next month. I recognize an R&P change will be necessary, 4.10s as I still drive to the trails. If I am changing gears I might as well change the axles to a higher spline count. As I add up everything I am wondering how much more would it be to get new heavier duty axles that are already setup for my jeep and avoid the labor cost of the locker and R&P install. I wont need Dana 60s, as I really don't see going any larger than a 36s on this jeep as it wouldn't fit in my garage. I would like to retain my wheels and could swap the brakes if necessary. Question is, do I build my stock axles or start fresh with some custom built axles. Budget is tight but I will spend what I need to get it done right.

I would be curious as to what you all thought about my situation and what would be the most cost effective solution. The details are below. I am somewhat mechanically inclined but inexperienced so I will need the complicated parts to be done professionally. I'm confident I could swap out complete axles but for the right price I would have it done professionally also.

My plans for this vehicle include mainly trails and some basic rock crawling. I would like to be able to have fun at Moab and the Rubicon yet still drive there from Missouri. Just so you know about where my budget is I am also considering the package below and I am figuring 500 per axle for installation to bring the total to around 4599.95 including shipping.

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You wont need to get new axles. Once you upgrade then you will be all set for the 36's that you want.
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Which transmission do you have? That will also dictate gear ratio.

Those axles will be pretty well built for 33s.

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I have the manual trans. (6 speed) I agree they would be built well but I would have $4600 in them and still have a Dana 30 in the front. It just seems like a lot of cash to put into stock axles. I also question the housing on the TJ Dana 44.
I guess I'm just looking for suggestions on what some of you have done. The stock axles are fine but when you want to add the lockers it starts the snowball with the gears. You've got big money in the lockers and if you ever want to upgrade the axle shafts. Then you question the integrity of the housing.
I'm just trying to avoid doing what i did when I lifted it. Budget boost to 4" short arm to long arm. I just want to do it right but not over the top.
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The reality that I, myself, am slowly adapting to is this: most people have no need of anything over a 35" tire on a Jeep. Most people have no need of a 1-ton axle, much less the professionally built, competition-level D60's that I see slung under everything in the magazines. I've belatedly realized that approximately .1% of the Jeeps out there need to run 36's or 37's and D60's front and rear...so at least keep that in mind when you're deciding on what to do. If you just want them, then more power to you. Personally, I'd start more along the lines of what you have laid out, but reduce my tire size down to 35"...that won't strain the front as much, and you'll have plenty of extra cash on hand.

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grab a junkyard HP30 before you put all that nice stuff in there, it will only cost you a couple hundred more to do so.
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grab a junkyard HP30 before you put all that nice stuff in there, it will only cost you a couple hundred more to do so.
Ditto.

I'm about to gear and lock my TJ and I will definitely swapping in a high-pinion front while I'm at it (already bought the HP gears). It's just too cheap and easy not to.
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I have had so much trouble finding junkyard parts here in Missouri. It there a trick to it? What do you all do in NC and OR?
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Check out Car-Part.com--Used Auto Parts Market . You can search junkyards in your area. This is an extremely useful tool. I have bought all kinds of replacement parts and upgrades found through this site.
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In my area and from what I've heard from everyone else; Cherokee's are plentiful in junkyards. (great for me)

Also Sundowner is right, look up vids or pictures of what Jerry Bransford and Mr.Blaine wheel. JV is some of the craziest rock crawling in the world and they do it on 35's by choice, not budget.

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Depending on your transmission, you could consider different gears. Otherwise, that would be a solid set up for your uses. You may want to consider Superiour Tube seals as well.

You will want to consider 4 wheel disk breaks and a steering upgrade after the 33's are replaced.


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I'm running 35s on a locked HP30 and a super35 kit.

Pick up a HP30 from a junkyard, and throw an ARB in your d44. Carry spare front shafts (yoke ears are the weak point) and go out and wheel it for a fraction of the price.

Take the money you saved and get the Vanco Big Brake kit.

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Thanks for the info. I will check out car-part .com in a few. I have an Unlimited so it came with 4 wheel disk. The e-brake is very trouble some though. Have though about upgrading the brakes to bigger ones. Thats a benefit i could get going the new axle route. What do you all think of the G2 Axles the catalog companies are selling?
I have been contemplating the gears. I plan to stay with the 33's for a while as they are barely used. Do you all think the 4.11's will be fine. I will upgrade to 4.56 when its time for the 35's/36's. Depending on the manufacturer they are about he same anyway. I prefer MTR's but currently have some ProComp Extreme Mudds. I still need to be able to drive on the highway.
Already did the steering upgrade. Well I replaced the linkages with HD 1 ton stuff from Rugged Ridge/OmixAda and Rusty's. Tube seals I will do. Good idea.

Will a locked dana 30 hold up with 35's/36's?
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I'm running 35s on a locked HP30 and a super35 kit.
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Will a locked dana 30 hold up with 35's/36's?
I don't know...will it?

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ouch. I missed that. . .sorry. I was sorta wondering how it would do without the SuperKit though.
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