[cumminsjeep24]

Originally Posted by CB3

You are FOS because you are in NJ and Mt St Helens is in WA State (5000+ miles away from NJ). Also, there are no lava beds on Mt St Helens, at least none I've seen when I've been up there. It was mostly a muddy and ashy eruption, not a lava eruption. I know because I was in the general area when it erupted. You wouldn't know anything about it because you aren't from around here, and you weren't born until 8 years AFTER it erupted. It's not surprising that a 22 year old boy is FOS, but you take rude and stupid to the max, even for your age.



You NJ guys often have a fresh out of prison or ghetto attitude. Then again, maybe it's not a NJ thing. Maybe it's because you two boys (Pedro and Cummins) are only 22 years old. You act like boys without class or maturity, and questionable intelligence. At 22 you certainly don't have enough experience to know it all, nor be dissing anyone over 30. I was wheeling before you were a sperm.

You don't need to behave like a "tool" to state your opinions, or to disagree with someone. Just state your opinions without attacking the individual. Then things stay on-topic and non-personal.

Cummins, we're discussing TJ tie-rods now. There is no more to be said about trackbars in this thread that hasn't already been well covered by others.

We've already covered stock track-bar earlier in this thread to the limited extent that topic applies to this thread. I do recall discussing TJ trackbars with several people over last several months. I don't recall specifically discussing XJ trackbars with anyone, though I might have.

Anyone taking your track-bar advice is likely to end up with an aftermarket track-bar hitting their diff cover during suspension up-travel.

If you have an aftermarket diff cover and/or aftermarket trackbar, please check your diff cover for witness marks. You might already see evidence of contact between diff cover and track-bar. This is a common problem with TJ that have less than 4" lift, and I suspect might also be a common problem with XJ. No, I won't elaborate here further and side-track this thread further. Please go read the trackbar thread - link above.

I'll check the trackbar thread for your posts Cummins. I look forward to reading your insightful posts there. I'm sure the other guys in that thread will enjoy your obvious knowledge.

I may be 22, but as far as your knowledge goes, I really dont see yours being any better than mine. Everytime you post it makes my head explode. and calling me immature? dude, you are 41 and get butt hurt when someone makes a sarcastic comment about some things you said. grow up man. how is your parents basement by the way? I hope its cozy.

And I find it funny that you point out how much of a scientist you are on ice. wow, thats something I would aspire to. congrats dude...do you have to go to college to learn about ice? brb, throwing my auto tech/auto management degree away for an ice degree. pretty sure most people are aware of different kinds of ice. lets see, there is melted ice(water) soft ice (slush/snow) and hard ice (cubes/glaciers). its not that difficult

im not the only one who has disagreed with you in this thread. and i really do NOT see many track bars hitting dif covers or have even heard of that as a common problem. if it doesnt happen at stock height, what would make it happen at lifted height. sure as **** isnt an XJ thing.

and also, i didnt know you have wheeled every single environment in the world and know what is the perfect set up/tire choice (33x10.50 in your mind) for every single situation. guess I should throw away my 35 12.50 kevlars and run some 33 10.50 all terrains because omg they are so light and get sick mpgs. I bet your TJ gets the same mileage as me....I guess I should throw out my HD track bar and 1 ton steering as well. chevy 1 ton ends clearly arent good enough for you. Im surprised my Jeep (my DD) doesnt just wobble or explode as I go down the road, or the other people I know running the same set up....and its not like my Jeep is anything super duper ridiculous....There are exceptions/different opinions on your logic/way of thinking, get over it, you arent always right.

You are so egotistical it makes my head spin. Maybe you should stop thinking you are the king of Jeeps and find a girl or something. im sure im not the only who thinks so either. You arent the only one who knows something about them. Just because me and Pedro are 22, doesnt mean we dont know what the **** we are talking about. I have been in rock crawl comps, I have built my entire rig myself, and I have been in this sport long enough to know a little something about Jeeps and tires other than 33x1050s. (and apparently you dont know much if you just discovered the BFG Baja and KRT, which are NOT DOT APPROVED by the way). Hope to see you at KOH next year! (if you can figure out what that is)

I know I prob posted this past your bed time, but I cant wait for your defensive response. later gator

[mrblaine]

Originally Posted by CB3

My DW was already present before the ice incident, and was still present after it. I had DW on a stock brand new Jeep with only 50 miles on it and no lift. The only mods at that time were 285/75R16 tires and Warn 7" flares.

In my haste and lack of concentration, I missed appropriately replying to this kernel of info.

That single bit of info says there was something inherently wrong from the factory with your rig, tie rod, bushings, trackbar, bent rims, bad tires, or something. I've owned 3 new stock rigs, and worked on many many more and not one even amongst all of our acquaintances and friends has ever had this issue with that many miles and even on the boards, it's so rare as to be a negligible issue when discussing DW.

Even one instance of DW is violent enough to damage components to the point where they will need replaced immediately or very soon.

[asknight]

Originally Posted by Wheelin98TJ

The "dry steering test" is when you turn the steering wheel back and forth rapidly while watching underneath for slop. You do not turn the wheel slowly. You do not turn the steering wheel from lock to lock. You turn it from 10 to 2 or 9 to 3 and you do it as quick as possible back and forth.

You do this test with the tires on the ground and usually I do it without power steering assist.

It induces forces similar to everyday driving.

If you have a stock track bar and stock control arms, you will see slop/movement there before there is any movement in the drag link or tie rod.

Ok, gotcha. That's the test I use when looking for sloppy bushings, etc. That test will not show tie-rod flex that occurs when hitting potholes/bumps during a normal drive.

[bnine]

All of this peeing at eachother and the only post that has anything to do with death wobble has been ignored.

I gave yall the secret, and I will remind you once more.

It is impossible for death wobble to occur, without axle movement.

Once you know this, and apply it, every case of death wobble becomes instantly simple to repair. I've done 4 more cases since the last time I posted in this thread, and all of them suffer from the same thing. Axle movement.

Yeah there are always little underlying problems, worn compoents, big shtty tires, steel rims, full traction track bars (they flex a lot), bad ball joints, unit bearings, tie rod ends, poor alignment specs, etc.

All of it means nothing if the components that locate the axle are in good condition. Simply put, if the axle cant move, there will be no death wobble.

CB3, your 50 mile case is very simple. The tires you added had an issue with balance or harmonics. The stock bushings were not enough to keep them under control. This is a common issue with jeeps, dodge 3/4 tons and up, etc etc. Happens all the time.

Same thing happens every so often when you see this famous post "added budget boost and 33's, now I have death wobble".

Stock bushings barely contain stock tires, rims, and backspacing.

As soon as you increase the forces, or start to wear parts, you are at risk of death wobble because the stock bushings cant keep the axle from moving.


Its taken me a long time to drill this down. After well over 300 cases of diagnosed (not including interweb bs) and repaired death wobble, you can beleive me when I say, this is how it works.

2 things, tires spinning, and axle moving.

Nothing else matters

[Wheelin98TJ]

Originally Posted by bnine

2 things, tires spinning, and axle moving.

Nothing else matters

That says it quite nicely.

I like that description. Simple and straight to the point.

[tjindiana]

Fun thread.

I agree with bushings, Joints, and tires.

Its still hard to find the problem without rebiulding the entire fron end. Then you find out its your tires/rims causing the problem.

[bnine]

Originally Posted by tjindiana

Fun thread.

I agree with bushings, Joints, and tires.

Its still hard to find the problem without rebiulding the entire fron end. Then you find out its your tires/rims causing the problem.

If you know how to build a tight front end, it is ultra rare that a set of tires and rims will still set off death wobble.

Personally I've never had a case where I had to replace tires. I do have a friend that has had to do it once.

With all that set, if you have a set of tires that are that difficult to control, its a good idea to change them out before they tear up your front end.