Super 35???

JeepersCreapers · 01-28-2008, 10:11 PM

I'm hoping someone can point me in the right direction... About 2 months ago i broke my second dana 35. I rebuilt it the first time and ran it for about 7 months the it broke again in November. I am a dirt poor college student so im on a very very tight budget. I really want a d44 but im broke so ive thought about the super 35. I know its not a strong but i can't stand it sitting in the driveway anymore. any thoughts? advice???

Toyofast · 01-28-2008, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by JeepersCreapers

I know its not a strong but i can't stand it sitting in the driveway anymore. any thoughts? advice???

From my understanding a Super 35 is equal or slightly stronger than the standard Dana 44 setup other than the ring and pinion.

Yellow TJ · 01-28-2008, 10:18 PM

I was just in the same position, but I decided to bite the bullet and bought a 44 from 4 wheel parts (g2 axles) I got it for about 2500 with arbs installed and shipped. I figured that the cost of a s35 kit was about 1500, but I would need someone to install the gears and get them shimmed properly would cost me another 200-500 (I have heard its not easy to do)...so I just bit the bullet for the other 500 and installed the new axle myself.

Michael_K · 01-28-2008, 10:25 PM

If you don't have money and want D44, save up and get it.

If you have the money right now to afford the S35 (but not D44) to get the vehicle up and running again for living, get S35. And try not to break stuff, if you can't afford it.

If you are not doing the work yourself, your saving will be minimal by going S35. You might have better luck finding junk yard D44 off of a TJ to get your vehicle up and running.

What are you really asking? Are you asking about details on Super35?

I installed OX locker with AlloyUSA 30spline shafts. Spent quite a bit on tools and ittybitty parts, but wanted to install so I can learn and I did.

Just so you know, S35 shafts are only thicker around where it is splined and the proximity. I guess different material used makes the majority of the improvement over stock. It uses same bearing and seal at the end of the tube. JFYI.

Michael K.

AlTheKillerr · 01-28-2008, 10:42 PM

i went with the S35 set up and so far i am very pleased with it.

95z28m6 · 01-28-2008, 10:43 PM

I got my S35 from DC4WD for $700 with the detroit locker...I installed it myself in my driveway (where the tow truck dropped it off). I have setup quite a few gear sets so just doing the backlash wasnt hard at all...where $1500 plus install for a S35 kit came from im not sure...

you DO NOT have to re setup the gear pattern, just swap the ring gear to the new locker and set the backlash, an hour job at most (the backlash that is).

I have not been able to break mine yet. Im on 33" trXus's with 4.88's and wheel it hard every chance i get. These tires are gettin bald and i plan to step up to 35"s and im not worried one bit about the axles.

On a side note, everyone talks about the ring and pinion being such a weak link in the D35. A little common sense goes a long way to keep these from breaking. In comparison, the GM 10 bolt that came in my Z28 and all F bodies until 2002 has the EXACT SAME ring gear diameter as a D35. If these could hold up to power shifts, clutch dumps, and burnouts behind a 275-320 HP car that weighs as much as my jeep, i suspect the D35 ring and pinion could handle some low speed crawlin behind a 190Hp 6 banger. It finally took over 400HP launching on drag radials with 4.10s to break the 7.5 inch 10 bolt in my car....Its the people that shock the drivetrain by keepin their foot in it when they cant climb something, leaving the tires spinning and hopping, then catching traction that breaks the D35s.

Gettin off my soap box...I truely believe the super 35 kit is the efficient way to go as long as your not bigger than 35 or 36's (with the detroit on road).

I dont post alot on here, but i read alot and it bothers me when certain topics like about the D35 make it seem like its made of glass...hopefully this comparison puts some faith back in it. I know its not the strongest axle out there but it has its place for us people that arnt running 37 inch crawlers on huge rocks where there is a need for a super 44, D60, 9 inch, or rock jock.

JeepersCreapers · 01-29-2008, 01:04 AM

thanks for everyones imput. im kinda leaning toward the super 35 now. I feel better about the super 35 hearing about some first hand experience. Ill do all the work myself so hopefully ill have a solid locked rear end for about 900 bucks. Better than making payments on a driveway sculpture.

FLATFENDER54 · 01-29-2008, 08:45 AM

http://completeoffroad.com/i-123496-super-35-kit-30-spline-axles-and-detroit-locker.html

**elkfan2** · 01-29-2008, 09:07 AM

My super 35 lasted 5 months broke on the first trip to moab the housing cracked and allowed the gears to not mesh properly and all sorts of bad things happened. Personally I wouldn't waste the money on a super 35 and just install a detroit tru-trac and keep the 27 spline axles, I wheeled that way on 35's for two years and never had a problem even down in moab.

bigV · 01-29-2008, 09:50 AM

my buddy runs a super 35 in his ZJ and he runs it hard, never had any problems but it still worries him. he wishes he had gone with a dana 44 because the money invested between the 2 would have been about the same, when I broke my d35 I looked at the super 35, ford 8.8, and the dana 44, I got lucky and found a rubicon d44 - locker, discs, ease of install - which was worth the extra $200 to me over the super 35

**Steelman** · 01-29-2008, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by JeepersCreapers

I'm hoping someone can point me in the right direction... About 2 months ago i broke my second dana 35. I rebuilt it the first time and ran it for about 7 months the it broke again in November. I am a dirt poor college student so im on a very very tight budget. I really want a d44 but im broke so ive thought about the super 35. I know its not a strong but i can't stand it sitting in the driveway anymore. any thoughts? advice???

Sounds to me like you could save a lot of money if you'd take it easy on the gas pedal.

**Wheelin98TJ** · 01-29-2008, 10:01 AM

What do you keep breaking on your D35?

That should help you make your decision.

If you are breaking the spider gears and axle shafts, the S35 would be a good solution.

If you broke the pinion gear, the S35 is not going to help you.

**Jerry Bransford** · 01-29-2008, 10:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elkfan2

My super 35 lasted 5 months broke on the first trip to moab the housing cracked and allowed the gears to not mesh properly and all sorts of bad things happened.

I don't doubt that happened to you but on the other hand, that is very rare. There are just too many people running a Super 35 on VERY tough trails for years without problem for a Super 35 kit to be anything but a good bet for most of us. Super 35 kits run through the trails at Johnson Valley without problem, and that's full of some of the toughest rock crawling in the US.

kizer · 01-29-2008, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Wheelin98TJ

What do you keep breaking on your D35?

That should help you make your decision.

If you are breaking the spider gears and axle shafts, the S35 would be a good solution.

If you broke the pinion gear, the S35 is not going to help you.

What he said. I have a S35 and I play with it. Im running ARBs front and rear. So far I have broke one axle, but that was on the front.

miguelitojeep97 · 01-29-2008, 12:08 PM

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01-28-2008, 10:25 PM	#4
Michael_K Registered User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: ATL, GA Posts: 982 Profile Gallery Classifieds My Jeeps	If you don't have money and want D44, save up and get it. If you have the money right now to afford the S35 (but not D44) to get the vehicle up and running again for living, get S35. And try not to break stuff, if you can't afford it. If you are not doing the work yourself, your saving will be minimal by going S35. You might have better luck finding junk yard D44 off of a TJ to get your vehicle up and running. What are you really asking? Are you asking about details on Super35? I installed OX locker with AlloyUSA 30spline shafts. Spent quite a bit on tools and ittybitty parts, but wanted to install so I can learn and I did. Just so you know, S35 shafts are only thicker around where it is splined and the proximity. I guess different material used makes the majority of the improvement over stock. It uses same bearing and seal at the end of the tube. JFYI. Michael K. __________________ DailyDrivenTJ.com JUST For Jeep TJ Owners Around the World!

01-28-2008, 10:43 PM	#6
95z28m6 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Wilkes Barre, PA Posts: 33 Profile Gallery Classifieds My Jeeps	I got my S35 from DC4WD for $700 with the detroit locker...I installed it myself in my driveway (where the tow truck dropped it off). I have setup quite a few gear sets so just doing the backlash wasnt hard at all...where $1500 plus install for a S35 kit came from im not sure... you DO NOT have to re setup the gear pattern, just swap the ring gear to the new locker and set the backlash, an hour job at most (the backlash that is). I have not been able to break mine yet. Im on 33" trXus's with 4.88's and wheel it hard every chance i get. These tires are gettin bald and i plan to step up to 35"s and im not worried one bit about the axles. On a side note, everyone talks about the ring and pinion being such a weak link in the D35. A little common sense goes a long way to keep these from breaking. In comparison, the GM 10 bolt that came in my Z28 and all F bodies until 2002 has the EXACT SAME ring gear diameter as a D35. If these could hold up to power shifts, clutch dumps, and burnouts behind a 275-320 HP car that weighs as much as my jeep, i suspect the D35 ring and pinion could handle some low speed crawlin behind a 190Hp 6 banger. It finally took over 400HP launching on drag radials with 4.10s to break the 7.5 inch 10 bolt in my car....Its the people that shock the drivetrain by keepin their foot in it when they cant climb something, leaving the tires spinning and hopping, then catching traction that breaks the D35s. Gettin off my soap box...I truely believe the super 35 kit is the efficient way to go as long as your not bigger than 35 or 36's (with the detroit on road). I dont post alot on here, but i read alot and it bothers me when certain topics like about the D35 make it seem like its made of glass...hopefully this comparison puts some faith back in it. I know its not the strongest axle out there but it has its place for us people that arnt running 37 inch crawlers on huge rocks where there is a need for a super 44, D60, 9 inch, or rock jock. __________________ 00" Sahara 5spd - 3" BDS lift - 1.25" JKS BL/MML - 1.25 inch coil spacers in front - 15x8 crager soft 8's - 35x12.50 BFG MT's - Super35 w/Detroit - 4.88's - SSSYE - Tom Woods CV Shaft - T-max 9000lb winch

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