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Unread 03-03-2013, 01:08 AM   #16
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Replacing the bushing on the axle mount from the track bar. It was toast. I'm also gonna look deeper into that steering sleeve. Taking it all in. Thank y'all so much for your inputs. It's helping out a lot. Keep Jeepin!

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Unread 03-03-2013, 09:31 AM   #17
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Imped is mostly right. For some reason I thought you had a bigger lift, but if you only have a 3.5" lift like it says in your profile, I would go back to a factory Pitman too. If you don;t have one, I think they're only about $25 and you really should swap it out. While you're doing it, you might be able to search around and find out what is bent/loose. I think Imped and I totally agree on that. Now it's up to you to find it. Keep us updated on what you find!
That's awesome advice. Were you going to also tell him to remove the drop bracket at the frame side trackbar mount or were you going to giggle a lot when he started complaining about the bumpsteer you just gave him?
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Unread 03-03-2013, 02:48 PM   #18
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That's awesome advice. Were you going to also tell him to remove the drop bracket at the frame side trackbar mount or were you going to giggle a lot when he started complaining about the bumpsteer you just gave him?
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Unread 03-03-2013, 03:44 PM   #19
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Funny guy! I'm not going to go back to the stock pitman arm because everything is lined up precisely (drag link/track bar) and before with the stock pitman arm it was way off. Gonna check the sleeve today and hopefully fix the off centered steering wheel. One thing I'm thinking of doing is disconnecting the pitman arm and readjust the steering wheel from the gear box <<< is that recommended?
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Unread 03-03-2013, 03:48 PM   #20
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Please check your steering box. If you left a bolt out, it could have damaged your steering box mount. It happened to me once, when I left a bolt out after changing my steering box skid.
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Unread 03-03-2013, 03:54 PM   #21
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Please check your steering box. If you left a bolt out, it could have damaged your steering box mount. It happened to me once, when I left a bolt out after changing my steering box skid.
I'm thinking that might have happened since ALL this happened after I came off that block. What did you have to do to fix it?
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Unread 03-03-2013, 04:16 PM   #22
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Funny guy! I'm not going to go back to the stock pitman arm because everything is lined up precisely (drag link/track bar) and before with the stock pitman arm it was way off. Gonna check the sleeve today and hopefully fix the off centered steering wheel. One thing I'm thinking of doing is disconnecting the pitman arm and readjust the steering wheel from the gear box <<< is that recommended?
Waste of time. The input shaft is keyed so it only goes on one way, the intermediate shaft is keyed at both ends so it only goes on one way, the steering wheel is keyed so it only goes on one way, and the pitman arm is keyed in 4 spots so it can only be put on in 90 increments. Since it only moves the pitman about 90 lock to lock, it's impossible to install it incorrectly.

You have something loose, worn, damaged or incorrectly installed. Do the dry steering test to rule out the obvious, then do it with engine running to add some load and rule out the obvious again and go from there.

You should also swap out the metric bolts in the tie rod clamps for 3/8's fine thread Grade 8 so you can point the bolts horizontal and get some clearance at the track bar mount on the axle.
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Unread 03-03-2013, 04:18 PM   #23
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Funny guy! I'm not going to go back to the stock pitman arm because everything is lined up precisely (drag link/track bar) and before with the stock pitman arm it was way off. Gonna check the sleeve today and hopefully fix the off centered steering wheel. One thing I'm thinking of doing is disconnecting the pitman arm and readjust the steering wheel from the gear box <<< is that recommended?
No. You cannot center the steering wheel that way. The pitman arm is keyed to the output shaft and the steering linkage is also keyed to the input of the steering gear. Just turn the adjuster sleeve on the drag link to recenter the steering wheel.
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That's awesome advice. Were you going to also tell him to remove the drop bracket at the frame side trackbar mount or were you going to giggle a lot when he started complaining about the bumpsteer you just gave him?
mrblaine said what he did because normally the track bar and pitman drops are used together. They keep your geometry in the recommended relationship. When that relationship is not maintained you can get "bumpsteer". The trackbar and drag link should be as close to parallel as possible.
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Looking at the photo of the steering box, it looks like their could have been some movment at the frame mounting boss's
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Unread 03-04-2013, 12:30 PM   #26
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Can you post some pics of the track bar ends and brackets. I'm still thinking that your problem is there.
This was a problem. I must have busted the nut flag on the trail and this caused the bolt to loosen. I am in the process of replacing the bushing and hardware with a bigger set from Rubicon Express. I just had to drill out a larger hole for the bigger bolt. Does anyone have some advise on how to press the new bushing in. I've tried a vise and now a c-clamp type press but it just won't go in with all the lube in the world. Is there a bench type press or should I just remove the entire track bar and take it to a shop to press. I hear NAPA does it but I wonder how much they would charge $$$$???
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Most places like NAPA that have a shop will do it for minimal cost. Something like $10. I used them to press one my axle shaft bearings in the past.
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Unread 03-05-2013, 04:03 PM   #28
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That's awesome advice. Were you going to also tell him to remove the drop bracket at the frame side trackbar mount or were you going to giggle a lot when he started complaining about the bumpsteer you just gave him?
Blaine, I totally forgot what an a$$hole you and several others are on this board. I'm going back to never posting again. THAT is why people will stop buying products from you. You're an a$$hole. I apologize for not seeing the beautifully accurate pic of his drop bracket. Obviously, both drop bracket and pitman should be removed. Oh, and since you're the f**king genius, why didn't you mention that bumpsteer and DW are best avoided by having the drag link and trac bar NEAR aligned, but not perfectly aligned. Who's the idiot now? You are. I'm never helping anyone out on this f**king board again. You complete losers sit at your computer all day instead of going outside and actually doing something. What a life.
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Blaine, I totally forgot what an a$$hole you and several others are on this board. I'm going back to never posting again. THAT is why people will stop buying products from you. You're an a$$hole. I apologize for not seeing the beautifully accurate pic of his drop bracket. Obviously, both drop bracket and pitman should be removed. Oh, and since you're the f**king genius, why didn't you mention that bumpsteer and DW are best avoided by having the drag link and trac bar NEAR aligned, but not perfectly aligned. Who's the idiot now? You are. I'm never helping anyone out on this f**king board again. You complete losers sit at your computer all day instead of going outside and actually doing something. What a life.

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Unread 03-05-2013, 05:38 PM   #30
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Although there are some experienced Jeep people on here, the guys on here are mostly complete morons and will repeat solutions that they've heard with no regard for your specific situation. Don't waste your time with the dry test or whatever cr@p those guys suggested. It sounds like your drag link is coming loose or something is moving under stress. If your alignment shop is not accustomed to lifted Jeeps, they might not catch it because it looks normal when not compressed or extended.

The best way to analyze this (if I can help) is to see a list of all components that you put a wrench on or replaced, and see some pics. The pics need to be full frontal upward, so I can see the entire tie rod, drag link, trac bar, pitman, etc. (Think knuckle to knuckle) And maybe some pics of the tie rod ends, knuckles, and other joints in the steering. The effect you described sounds like something that happens when a tie rod rotates (jam nuts come loose) but the Currie usually won't do that. Post pics and I'll see what I can do.
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Imped is mostly right. For some reason I thought you had a bigger lift, but if you only have a 3.5" lift like it says in your profile, I would go back to a factory Pitman too. If you don;t have one, I think they're only about $25 and you really should swap it out. While you're doing it, you might be able to search around and find out what is bent/loose. I think Imped and I totally agree on that. Now it's up to you to find it. Keep us updated on what you find!
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Here are some pics of the set up. I do have a drop pitman btw...Thanks so much for your help!

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Blaine, I totally forgot what an a$$hole you and several others are on this board. I'm going back to never posting again. THAT is why people will stop buying products from you. You're an a$$hole. I apologize for not seeing the beautifully accurate pic of his drop bracket. Obviously, both drop bracket and pitman should be removed. Oh, and since you're the f**king genius, why didn't you mention that bumpsteer and DW are best avoided by having the drag link and trac bar NEAR aligned, but not perfectly aligned. Who's the idiot now? You are. I'm never helping anyone out on this f**king board again. You complete losers sit at your computer all day instead of going outside and actually doing something. What a life.
You opened the door and walked through it with your original statement and then followed it up by making a fool of yourself. That's all on you buddy and if you don't like having your nose rubbed in the mess, don't make the mess.

Telling someone NOT to do the dry steering test (in your own words)
While you're doing it, you might be able to search around and find out what is bent/loose, is absurd. It's about the easiest way possible to find something loose and immediately find or rule out the obvious.
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