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Unread 03-21-2012, 07:30 PM   #16
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There's a good write-up on Setting the toe on Stu Olson's site.
If you want to double check the toe-in you can use this write-up, but instead of painting the tires, use the outer edge of the tread as the measuring points.

I have the same Zone 3" spring lift and used this write-up to set my toe-in. I have done nothing with the caster and my Jeep drives great.

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Unread 03-21-2012, 08:40 PM   #17
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Gentleman please this is not a contentious issue. Your comments are well taken. I asked about these cam alignment bolts when I purchased the kit and was told they SHOULD not be necessary but it sounds like they could be the trick. Since the Jeep alignment is within stock spec for caster, when I get and install these bolts what should i have the caster adjusted too? I am going to call Zone in the morning and see what they have to offer.

My only disappointment is it will cost me another $57 to get the alignment done again. I trust the shop I go to but they may not have experience with a lifted Jeep like what I did.

I will report back on what fixes the problem so others like me can learn.

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Unread 03-21-2012, 10:56 PM   #18
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I just installed a Cross 3.5" lift kit and Goodyear Duratrac 31x10.5-15 with new 15x8 rims on my 2000 TJ. The install went GREAT! No problems with the kit or the support.

I now seem to have very soft and super sentitive steering. It is like I have super power steering. My wife will not drive it because she connot control it when on the highway. You have to be very in control when changing lanes or you could lose it. I rechecked all bolt tightness and also checked for anything lose or with alot of play. I found nothing obvious. Is this to be expected with a lift kit? What can I check.

The Cross kit came with everything, gas shocks, springs, offsets for front & rear. Everything was installed from the kit and had it realigned by a PRO.

Thanks for any feedback.
Offsets? Pro? Why does it handle so bad if it was by a pro? Sounds to me like you have a crapload of toe out and possibly some insufficient positive camber thrown in for good measure. Add a dash of overinflated tire and your cooking!
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Unread 03-21-2012, 10:58 PM   #19
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X2... To much Caster... Also the Alignment Tech properly set the Tow to factory specs which isn't the best larger tires. Did this lift come with adjustable control arms?
No. You can't even spell toe correctly. Please do not give steering advice when you don't know what you are talking about. He wants positive caster and zero toe.
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Unread 03-21-2012, 10:59 PM   #20
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I am running 32 PSI in the tires and yes I have a steering stabilizer with about 15K miles on it. The SS is something I was going to check tomorrow and see if it is part of the problem. I was also going to lower the pressure in two PSI increments and see if anything changes.

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Way too high pressure. Also you should be at zero-just in on the toe.
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Unread 03-21-2012, 11:01 PM   #21
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No he didn't. Yours was the 4th post and he said/posted nothing about having it aligned prior.

I agree, and would start there. There's a variety of ways a guy can check the toe. There's a good write-up on Setting the toe on Stu Olson's site.
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Everything was installed from the kit and had it realigned by a PRO.
Huh???
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Unread 03-21-2012, 11:03 PM   #22
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Gentleman please this is not a contentious issue. Your comments are well taken. I asked about these cam alignment bolts when I purchased the kit and was told they SHOULD not be necessary but it sounds like they could be the trick. Since the Jeep alignment is within stock spec for caster, when I get and install these bolts what should i have the caster adjusted too? I am going to call Zone in the morning and see what they have to offer.

My only disappointment is it will cost me another $57 to get the alignment done again. I trust the shop I go to but they may not have experience with a lifted Jeep like what I did.

I will report back on what fixes the problem so others like me can learn.

Thanks everyone!
You got a "bad" alignment and aren't happy and they will recharge you? Huh?
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Unread 03-21-2012, 11:12 PM   #23
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My only disappointment is it will cost me another $57 to get the alignment done again. I trust the shop I go to but they may not have experience with a lifted Jeep like what I did.
Okay, stop.

Go to the write up on Stu's site and do the alignment at home. Save the $57 and do it more accurately yourself. If you want it to be as accurate as possible, use the brake rotor surfaces...I'll leave the figuring-out of how to do that to you (try searching this forum).


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I am running 32 PSI in the tires and yes I have a steering stabilizer with about 15K miles on it. The SS is something I was going to check tomorrow and see if it is part of the problem.
Try 24 PSI.

The stabilizer is not part of the problem...

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If you want to double check the toe-in you can use this write-up, but instead of painting the tires, use the outer edge of the tread as the measuring points.
No. Don't do that. If tires were suitable for alignment purposes, would they be capable of flexing and distorting?

If you align to the planes of the rotor surfaces any compromise with the toe adjustment due to the tire's inconsistency is removed from the equation.
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Unread 03-21-2012, 11:26 PM   #24
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You can use some cheap harbor freight levels and speed clamps on the rotors. With the tires off make sure your jeep is on jack stands on the axle sitting at ride height.
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You can use some cheap harbor freight levels and speed clamps on the rotors. With the tires off make sure your jeep is on jack stands on the axle sitting at ride height.
By using two equal size spacers per wheel, you can use the same levels (or other suitable straight-edges) with the wheel on. Just place the spacers so the straight edges stand away from the tire and strap the whole thing together.
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By using two equal size spacers per wheel, you can use the same levels (or other suitable straight-edges) with the wheel on. Just place the spacers so the straight edges stand away from the tire and strap the whole thing together.
Hmm...I like that thought process. I went to the rotor surface, myself, and I'm glad I did: my front end only got happy when it was set to 1/16th in. As long as the spacer is perfect, there'd be no problem...but I still think that taking the tire and wheel out of the equation is better. Just my opinion.
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I would recommend doing it yourself. Do not waste time and money taking to a shop to get realligned. I took mine to a shop with an allignment rack and my wheels are offset so much with big tires, they couldnt use the rack properly. charged me $75 and the steering wheel is way off. I ended up redoing everything myself and it travels down the road strait as an arrow.
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Unread 03-22-2012, 08:42 AM   #28
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Mine was the fifth post and the op clearly stated that the alignment was done by a "PRO" in post #1.

I'm leaning toward a caster issue, too, fwiw.
I knew that, yeah, saw it the first time...just checking to see who's paying attention. Nope, wasn't a senior moment. Criminy sakes, Wrinkle Ranch - here I come.
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No. You can't even spell toe correctly. Please do not give steering advice when you don't know what you are talking about. He wants positive caster and zero toe.

I simply read the post wrong, I thought the OP said he "needs super power steering".. Regardless the OP's issue as is most likely incorrect Caster and/or Toe. I didn't realize we were being graded on proper spelling/grammar! I appreciate you taking time to point that out. Wow tough crowd!!
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No. You can't even spell toe correctly. Please do not give steering advice when you don't know what you are talking about. He wants positive caster and zero toe.
I have always herd that the tow-in should be at 1/16"-1/8".
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