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Unread 02-07-2014, 11:22 AM   #76
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It shouldn't have failed with that low of miles....

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Unread 02-07-2014, 11:24 AM   #77
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it is possible that the lack of driveshaft maintenance caused the DC joint to freeze up and crack the t-case...

its happened before but typically more catastrophic.



Is that yours? If it is i'll feel a little better that it's not just me. Haha.
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Unread 02-07-2014, 11:27 AM   #78
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It shouldn't have failed with that low of miles....
That's what I was thinking, which is why I think something else is bad which is wearing it out.
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Unread 02-07-2014, 11:29 AM   #79
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Are people really assuming that a joint that didn't get greased in it's first three months is what's causing the issue?

I have a Tom Woods rear DS and the centering ball came greased, didn't it?

I only grease mine every 6 months or so and it's always been fine.

I think we all love TW and are trying to find the quickest possible way to blame the OP.

Maybe I've been lucky, but I think a quality product like a TW DS could go 4 months without being re-greased, even if there was a small mudhole.

Let's stop knee-jerk blaming, and figure out what might be the actual issue.
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Is that yours? If it is i'll feel a little better that it's not just me. Haha.
no, it was a guy in my club. It was a cherokee, but it was still a 231 and DC shafts on both ends, so the same thing can happen to TJs.
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Unread 02-07-2014, 11:32 AM   #81
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Are people really assuming that a joint that didn't get greased in it's first three months is what's causing the issue?

I have a Tom Woods rear DS and the centering ball came greased, didn't it?

I only grease mine every 6 months or so and it's always been fine.

I think we all love TW and are trying to find the quickest possible way to blame the OP.

Maybe I've been lucky, but I think a quality product like a TW DS could go 4 months without being re-greased, even if there was a small mudhole.

Let's stop knee-jerk blaming, and figure out what might be the actual issue.
I'm sure they are just Knee-jerk blaming in response to my original knee-jerk blaming. Haha.
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Are people really assuming that a joint that didn't get greased in it's first three months is what's causing the issue?
there are a few possibilities.

1. manufacturing error from Spicer,

2. manufacturing error from TW (either during assembly or of the gold seal u-joint) (needle bearing out of place, etc.)

3. improper installation (u-joint not seated properly in the t-case yoke) this could have crushed the u-joint cap and/or stressed the metal in the DC end.

4. lack of grease in the u-joint or centering ball

5. t-case chain or other problem preventing the front yoke from freely turing during in 2WD.

6. other freak problem
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OP, what does the axle yoke look like?

You said the broken piece was still attached? But with only bolt? What does the empty bolt hole look like?
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Unread 02-07-2014, 11:43 AM   #84
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there are a few possibilities.

1. manufacturing error from Spicer,

2. manufacturing error from TW (either during assembly or of the gold seal u-joint) (needle bearing out of place, etc.)

3. improper installation (u-joint not seated properly in the t-case yoke) this could have crushed the u-joint cap and/or stressed the metal in the DC end.

4. lack of grease in the u-joint or centering ball

5. t-case chain or other problem preventing the front yoke from freely turing during in 2WD.

6. other freak problem
U-joint isn't noticeably damaged, although one of the caps did come off when it broke and lost some needle bearings.
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Unread 02-07-2014, 11:54 AM   #85
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OP, what does the axle yoke look like?

You said the broken piece was still attached? But with only bolt? What does the empty bolt hole look like?
It's the tcase side that broke, but the other holes look... warped? the threads are intact, but the openings are bent. the remaining bolt looks like it was partially unscrewed. Could the bolts have backed out? what in the world would have caused that? I put them back in exactly as they came out, as tight as I could. They didn't have visible locktight on them before.
I tried to take a picture, but now my phone camera just says "ERROR."
I'm going to become Amish if all my crap keeps breaking.
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Unread 02-07-2014, 11:57 AM   #86
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I have a 1/4 drive Mac ratchet and socket that fits in there perfectly. I use a long 5/16 snap on wrench, put it on the bolt, let it sit in the skid, twist the shaft to break them loose.
Rigs with a body lift, I can get my 1/4 drive air ratchet on them with a wobbly.
I have a pack of 12 point bolts that came with a new shaft, my son installed it and reused the factory bolts. Ill have to take a look at the length and see about remembering the brand... Pro comp possibly is where that one came from.
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Yeah, I used a craftsman 1/4 socket wrench. I'm taking Mr. Blane's suggestion and dropping the skid next time. If there is a next time.
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Unread 02-07-2014, 01:12 PM   #88
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Is that yours? If it is i'll feel a little better that it's not just me. Haha.
I wouldn't feel bad about not greasing it. I neglected to grease mine for a little while and the CV joint on it started to seize as well. I felt the increased vibrations and luckily was close to home before it got worse. Even though I told TW it was completely my fault, he just charged me for the new centering ball and even shortened the shaft/re-balanced it for me (I was doing an axle swap at the same time).

I agree that 3 or 4 months doesn't seem like enough time for this to happen, but it was for me. I'm sure the offroading I was doing didn't help, but it certainly wasn't that long of a time period.
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