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Unread 06-21-2011, 06:06 PM   #1
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Should I stretch?

I thought I was nearing the end of my build. Once I've done a TT and dialed in my pinion angle, I was going to outboard the rear dampers and relocate the spring mounts. And then call it a day, other than lifting the gas tank and adding corner amor.

Then I got wondering if I would want more. I'm commited to spending the money and improve the rig regardless. So then I got thinking about streching out to a 99" wheelbase. I'd need to install....

1. Genright EXT 5" stretch tank (Savvy sell's it cheaper I believe), instead of a GTS.
2. Full Traction's longer wishbone for their stretched tri-link (I already have their SA tri-link)
3. Savvy's new aluminum longer CA's for the lowers.
4. Rear Antirock.
5. Depending where the upper coil mounts ended up, I'd more than likely need to use 2"-2.5" coils to match the 3" AEV fronts. But after the stretch and reducing the CA angles, I could possibly do coilovers and get a really good axle drop.

I'll also consider stepping up to 37's (my axles are very reliable for 35's). Other than new rubber and brakes, I'm thinking an extra $2000 (if I do coilovers) above and beyond what I want to do anyway.

Then there's the cost vs benefit. I currently play in N. CA trails including Rubicon, Fordyce, Dusy-Ershim and Swamp Lake. And maybe a trip now and again down to JV.

Am I missing anything? Comments welcome.

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Unread 06-21-2011, 06:13 PM   #2
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Savvy alum CAs are for uppers only. Didn't know they make them for lowers and if they did, they would gouge on rocks and grab instead of sliding.
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Unread 06-21-2011, 08:14 PM   #3
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I thought I was nearing the end of my build. Once I've done a TT and dialed in my pinion angle, I was going to outboard the rear dampers and relocate the spring mounts. And then call it a day, other than lifting the gas tank and adding corner amor.

Then I got wondering if I would want more. I'm commited to spending the money and improve the rig regardless. So then I got thinking about streching out to a 99" wheelbase. I'd need to install....

1. Genright EXT 5" stretch tank (Savvy sell's it cheaper I believe), instead of a GTS.
2. Full Traction's longer wishbone for their stretched tri-link (I already have their SA tri-link)
3. Savvy's new aluminum longer CA's for the lowers.
4. Rear Antirock.
5. Depending where the upper coil mounts ended up, I'd more than likely need to use 2"-2.5" coils to match the 3" AEV fronts. But after the stretch and reducing the CA angles, I could possibly do coilovers and get a really good axle drop.

I'll also consider stepping up to 37's (my axles are very reliable for 35's). Other than new rubber and brakes, I'm thinking an extra $2000 (if I do coilovers) above and beyond what I want to do anyway.

Then there's the cost vs benefit. I currently play in N. CA trails including Rubicon, Fordyce, Dusy-Ershim and Swamp Lake. And maybe a trip now and again down to JV.

Am I missing anything? Comments welcome.
I should make a list of 'isms and have it at the ready for all things I keep having to repeat. Here's the rule on a stretchism.

The number one tank I move behind the seats to do a real stretch is a stretch tank that used to live under the rig.

Think about that.
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Unread 06-21-2011, 08:33 PM   #4
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Which diff are you wanting to do the stretch with? If d60 then it's either gonna be the 15gal GenRight or it has to go into the bed.
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Unread 06-21-2011, 08:48 PM   #5
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Ruffstuff's 3link/ 4 link kits + Fuel cell. Get at least 102" out of it if your gonna go thru all that work.

I'm about to start this project next month. Gathering parts now.
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Unread 06-22-2011, 11:07 AM   #6
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I should make a list of 'isms and have it at the ready for all things I keep having to repeat. Here's the rule on a stretchism.

The number one tank I move behind the seats to do a real stretch is a stretch tank that used to live under the rig.

Think about that.
I'm thinking....

Sorry I can't keep up with everyone's likes or dislikes. But I take it you're not a fan. You probably have a good reason though. Barring any placebo effect from those that will tell us that a stretch did them good and the reduction of the breakover angle on existing tire size. I can't think of negatives. Why don't you like a 100" WB (includes a little push forward too)?

I don't want to put words in your mouth, but I understand the reasoning that for the cost involved you might as well push it way back. However, I do not want to loose the back seat (I take the kids wheeling). I'd imagine you'd approve of my current path of OB the dampers and relocating the rear spring mounts? With a 100" WB, would I not be building a better performing rig (both on and off road) if I did nothing more than reduce CA angles and the benefits of coilovers?

I apologize again, If you feel like you're repeating yourself. I'd like to understand why you feel the way you do. I know this isn't Pirate, but I'd enjoy reading a hardcore response.

If you've already explained yourself and don't wish to again, maybe you could take the time to copy/paste.


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Which diff are you wanting to do the stretch with? If d60 then it's either gonna be the 15gal GenRight or it has to go into the bed.
It would stay 44, so I could get the full 5" with the 19gal tank.
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Unread 06-22-2011, 06:02 PM   #7
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I was able to get 100" out of my stretch, that's just 3" shy of a LJ wb with a better departure angle. I think it's worth it....and it looks cool.
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Unread 06-22-2011, 09:27 PM   #8
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I'm thinking....

Sorry I can't keep up with everyone's likes or dislikes. But I take it you're not a fan. You probably have a good reason though. Barring any placebo effect from those that will tell us that a stretch did them good and the reduction of the breakover angle on existing tire size. I can't think of negatives. Why don't you like a 100" WB (includes a little push forward too)?

I don't want to put words in your mouth, but I understand the reasoning that for the cost involved you might as well push it way back. However, I do not want to loose the back seat (I take the kids wheeling). I'd imagine you'd approve of my current path of OB the dampers and relocating the rear spring mounts? With a 100" WB, would I not be building a better performing rig (both on and off road) if I did nothing more than reduce CA angles and the benefits of coilovers?

I apologize again, If you feel like you're repeating yourself. I'd like to understand why you feel the way you do. I know this isn't Pirate, but I'd enjoy reading a hardcore response.

If you've already explained yourself and don't wish to again, maybe you could take the time to copy/paste.
It's not that I am or am not a fan. Folks spend a lot of money buying stretch tanks, longer arms, lots of fab work, new corners to hide the cutting mess, blah blah blah and it adds up quick.

When you get all done, you will not go a single place in JV that Robert Yates and his stock wheelbase on 35's will go. The work, expense and effort simply do not pencil out and the reason I move stretch tanks behind the seats is folks have done the stretch, figured out what I'm now telling you and then do it right. Rather than waste all that money they spent on a stretch tank, they move it behind the front seats.

I will also say that most of the stretches I deal with and fix are so poorly done geometry wise that the owners always make some comment to the effect of "I just should have left it alone".
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Unread 06-23-2011, 09:25 PM   #9
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Thank's for the input. I figured a 100" WB would be beneficial at a price point. Considering where I'm at with my build right now, I would need to invest no more than $2k (which includes CO's) above and beyond. As long as everything was set up right to allow for at most 12" CO's (still using SA bracket location). You feel even at that price point, compared with my current build goals (OB shocks and coil mount relocation) it's still not worth it?

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Unread 06-23-2011, 09:55 PM   #10
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Honestly I personally would not invest money in stretching unless I was going to put 39's or larger tire from the start. Red label Krawlers and V8's in a LJ WB is very nice though.



That 2k is going to be 4 times that pretty quick. Go beat the piss out of it for a couple more years...then you will have cash saved up to do it right.
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Unread 06-23-2011, 10:15 PM   #11
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That 2k is going to be 4 times that pretty quick. Go beat the piss out of it for a couple more years...then you will have cash saved up to do it right.
It would be done right at what ever WB. I've read quite a few threads on happy 100" folks.

I've done the same thing shown in that video, although I ended up on my roof.

As mentioned I'm not willing to loose the rear seats. So if a 100" WB is not worth it at my price point and the only acceptable stretch is moving the tank to the tub then I'm happy to stay at 94".
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Unread 06-23-2011, 10:24 PM   #12
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I was one of those who did the stretch tank and ended up putting a fuel cell in the bed after a year. Then we stretched it some more and it work really well. I think it ended at 104-105". On 37s it did OK. I put 39s on and no good. It climbed terrible at Moab but was OK in JV on tight trails.

As much money as I put in the the 2003 Unrolled I could have bought a real nice buggy like the current on I have! I'm not kidding!
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