[Savvy]

Everybody, thanks for your input! We will keep to our roots and design the best product we can.

What most don't realize is there is enough of a toe hold on these sliders. A little grip tape will help alot in making sure we don't bash our shins. Believe me when I tell you that I required a toe hold for me when Blaine and I sat down and decided on building some sliders. You see I'm vertically challenge and it is hard for me to get into my Jeep without some type of help. My current set of sliders one my TJ rock crawler have rails and they are bashed up pretty good.

So, the masses have spoken and we listen to all of you. Some type of step will be available and it will look nice. We know all too well that we'll never please everyone but the ones who do use our product will get a product that will last and protect their Jeep as best as any slider can.

[Deacon]

EDIT: Whoops, ninja'ed by Gerald with great news. I'll leave my original reply at the end for posterity.

Originally Posted by provelogear

What most don't realize is there is enough of a toe hold on these sliders. A little grip tape will help alot in making sure we don't bash our shins. Believe me when I tell you that I required a toe hold for me when Blaine and I sat down and decided on building some sliders. You see I'm vertically challenge and it is hard for me to get into my Jeep without some type of help.

That's pretty much what I was thinking. Or at least hoping, after your original mention of grip tape. Can you please post a pic with your foot up on it (along with shoe size ) so we have maybe a better sense of scale? If I can get away with that, I'll consider myself a very happy camper

So, the masses have spoken and we listen to all of you. Some type of step will be available and it will look nice. We know all too well that we'll never please everyone but the ones who do use our product will get a product that will last and protect their Jeep as best as any slider can.

This right here is why we love you



(original reply)

Originally Posted by 06WranglerX

I don't see why people keep harping on "steps" it was clearly stated 9 pages back that a step isn't present because they get bent up, do not have the strength to hold up to constant abuse, ect so forth.

If you desire a step so much then obviously this product isn't for you.

Oh my god would you stop. For ****'s sake this kind of BS is so frustrating. What, do you think blaine's going to ship you a free pair for being so awesome?

mrblaine and Gerald are two smart guys. We know that. They seem to design top-quality stuff. We know that. They're only two people, though, smart and resourceful as they are. We're trying to figure out a way to get top-quality stuff while still keeping everyday practicality, and it's certainly possible that other smart people might come up with an idea they haven't had. I'd rather 15 ideas get floated and shot down and the 16th turn out to be a gem than nobody offer any suggestions because either they don't care at all or they assume there's no possible way to "improve" the product (make it closer to their needs), but especially not because some king **** like you comes along and tells everyone off. It's not a slight against anyone or some sort of attack or whatever, and you're not impressing anyone with claiming to be totally more hardcore than anyone else. We want the product; we're just trying to figure out a way to add to or tweak the design to make it work for us.

Originally Posted by Xlr8n

Lots of discussion and comments regarding the use/need/want of side steps in addition to these guards. Well why not just use the factory TJ side steps? The factory steps on the newer TJ models bolt on with 4 bolts per side as you are suggesting, give a much bigger stepping surface than anything presented so far, and don't take anything away from Blaine's goal of function over form with these sliders.

Yeah, that's probably what will happen in my case, if nothing else is figured out. That said, I don't have any nutserts or whatever would be there if the steps came from the factory, and this is the only place I've found them for a half-way reasonable price, so I'll probably end up finding some cheesy no-drill bolt-on nerf bars like these (also available through Amazon). They'll keep people happy, and I'm willing to swallow my know-how-I-know-you're-gay-cuz-you-have-nerf-bars-lolz hardcore pride for that convenience. I'll probably just take them off at home before heading out to wheel, because I don't want to carry them around in the Jeep the whole time.

[Keith_C]

Originally Posted by Firekite

EDIT: Whoops, ninja'ed by Gerald with great news. That said, I don't have any nutserts or whatever would be there if the steps came from the factory, and this is the only place I've found them for a half-way reasonable price,

You should be able to find nutserts, sometimes called riv-nuts lots of places like McMaster-Carr.

http://www.mcmaster.com/#threaded-inserts/=2qc7vb

[Humboldt]

Originally Posted by mrblaine

I have a buddy who had some rock rails with a little bolt on step that I teased him about mercilessly. He always and I mean always told me they could be unbolted when he went to run a trail.

He never once removed them, so that leads me to believe that my original belief that there's very little that is more permanent than a temporary solution, is still valid.

I dont think Im the subject here, but from my experience with "removable" armor,
Removable stuff sounds so cool....till you get to the trail and have to find a place to stash it
Way more bother than its worth.

I did enjoy watching Blaine climb over my "Step" getting into my Jeep and the comments that followed

[Vandano]

The other issue with a removable step is its just one more thing to do before going out wheeling. Besides when your on the trail with your girlfriend or wife are you going to put the step on just so she can get in every time? Sounds awfully ridiculous.

If gerald is saying that the slider is enough to stand on, ill take his word, even though hes a salesman.

[mJUSTINm]

in my opinion something removable would just be a pain in the ***. i like the rocker guards how they are now if my opinion matters!

[Deacon]

Originally Posted by Vandano

The other issue with a removable step is its just one more thing to do before going out wheeling.

Dude, you're down there messing with disconnects anyway (Currie AR / SwayLOC notwithstanding), and a couple quick bolts aren't the end of the world. Or just pull them off and leave them in the garage before you go.

Besides when your on the trail with your girlfriend or wife are you going to put the step on just so she can get in every time? Sounds awfully ridiculous.

You're awfully ridiculous. Where in the world did you get that idea? We're talking about day-to-day stuff on the road, where many of our Jeeps spend the vast majority of their time. On the trail, you do things the "hard" way. Hopefully the slider will turn out to be enough of a step that nothing hanging off is necessary, regardless.

If gerald is saying that the slider is enough to stand on, ill take his word, even though hes a salesman.

A pic with a foot on it would be more convincing

[06WranglerX]

Originally Posted by 06WranglerX

I don't see why people keep harping on "steps" it was clearly stated 9 pages back that a step isn't present because they get bent up, do not have the strength to hold up to constant abuse, ect so forth.

If you desire a step so much then obviously this product isn't for you. I don't need a step nor want one as its is just something else to get hung up on and slow my down or something else for me to catch on the rocks, in fact I wish I had these types of rocker guards on my TJ the other day going through Yellow Jacket at RC, many times I was close to jamming a rock into my door right where my rocker guard ended, had it not been for some good spotting and a careful eye i would have a sweet gouge in my door.

Would a rocker guard with a step have saved me? Probably not due to how low the steps are welded on usually, would Blaine, and Geralds product have, yes since there slider is mounted higher up I would have just ground on the slider and kept on my merry way. This type of rocker guard is built for a certain crowd of offroad enthusiasts, perhaps you do not fall into that category and or need this type of guard, but if a simple step is what has you on the fence well then your probably don't fall into the category. Im not bashing anyone who wanted a step please keep that in mind, lot of quality guards on the market with a step, I am just saying these are designed for a reason and that is to save your tubs *** not help get in and out of a rig, always remember It is what it is.

Originally Posted by Firekite

EDIT: Whoops, ninja'ed by Gerald with great news. I'll leave my original reply at the end for posterity.


That's pretty much what I was thinking. Or at least hoping, after your original mention of grip tape. Can you please post a pic with your foot up on it (along with shoe size ) so we have maybe a better sense of scale? If I can get away with that, I'll consider myself a very happy camper


This right here is why we love you



(original reply)


Oh my god would you stop. For ****'s sake this kind of BS is so frustrating. What, do you think blaine's going to ship you a free pair for being so awesome?

mrblaine and Gerald are two smart guys. We know that. They seem to design top-quality stuff. We know that. They're only two people, though, smart and resourceful as they are. We're trying to figure out a way to get top-quality stuff while still keeping everyday practicality, and it's certainly possible that other smart people might come up with an idea they haven't had. I'd rather 15 ideas get floated and shot down and the 16th turn out to be a gem than nobody offer any suggestions because either they don't care at all or they assume there's no possible way to "improve" the product (make it closer to their needs), but especially not because some king **** like you comes along and tells everyone off. It's not a slight against anyone or some sort of attack or whatever, and you're not impressing anyone with claiming to be totally more hardcore than anyone else. We want the product; we're just trying to figure out a way to add to or tweak the design to make it work for us.



Yeah, that's probably what will happen in my case, if nothing else is figured out. That said, I don't have any nutserts or whatever would be there if the steps came from the factory, and this is the only place I've found them for a half-way reasonable price, so I'll probably end up finding some cheesy no-drill bolt-on nerf bars like these (also available through Amazon). They'll keep people happy, and I'm willing to swallow my know-how-I-know-you're-gay-cuz-you-have-nerf-bars-lolz hardcore pride for that convenience. I'll probably just take them off at home before heading out to wheel, because I don't want to carry them around in the Jeep the whole time.

Whoa whoa whoa, are you saying firekite that if i support a company that produces quality products, I will geta free set, well hot damn Blaine gerald where are my rocker guards!

*shrug* Whatever man, I never bashed anyone, in fact I made a point to say i wasn't. I also never called myself hardcore, I referenced a trail where a set of rocker guards with steps would not have helped, yet if I had a pair of savvy skids I would have done a bit better and I wouldnt have been so worried about a rock going through my door skin, does that make me hardcore for referencing a time I was on the trail? I guess so according to you. This is a forum man, if what I say bothers you then either A don't read it, or B read it and ignore it, but please don't try and call me out and then say i did this or did that when I didn't. As for me bashing people I would love to see where I did that, I EVEN SAID i wasn't bashing anyone that needed a step, I understand people have children wives, ect.

Like i said and will say again, each and every product has a design and a certain group of people that it will appeal to, you can't please everyone. I even referenced that there are plenty of other companies that make a great product that offer's a step, but I guess that is me bashing others. What you say about me does not, nor will not bother me, but if you are going to get on my nuts, please call me out for the right reasons. Hey firekite, have a great day buddy

[neZZr]

I am SO glad someone is finally making lightweight aluminum skids! These rockers and the gas tank skid will definitely be on my rig once I can put the money together... matching aluminum full-corners sound good too. Especially with a steel slider at the top of the tub like Blaine put on the blue Viking rig!

Question about the front edge... how would those line up with the GenRight hi-line tube fenders at the wheel opening? Or do you have something planned there too?

[Savvy]

Originally Posted by neZZr

I am SO glad someone is finally making lightweight aluminum skids! These rockers and the gas tank skid will definitely be on my rig once I can put the money together... matching aluminum full-corners sound good too. Especially with a steel slider at the top of the tub like Blaine put on the blue Viking rig!

Question about the front edge... how would those line up with the GenRight hi-line tube fenders at the wheel opening? Or do you have something planned there too?

I don't believe the 3" flares on the Genright tube fenders are any further back on the fender than the orginal flare. So, the slider will not be a problem. You may have to trim the front edge of the aluminum rocker base.

[SuperWade2]

Originally Posted by Firekite

A pic with a foot on it would be more convincing

I'd be happy to take some glamor shots of my big size 13 hoof standing on the slider, in various entry positions, with and with out grip tape, to prove or disprove the functionality of current slider as a "step" that's not actually a "step"....

But I don't have any plans on heading down SoCal any time soon...

[06WranglerX]

Originally Posted by SuperWade2

I'd be happy to take some glamor shots of my big size 13 hoof standing on the slider, in various entry positions, with and with out grip tape, to prove or disprove the functionality of current slider as a "step" that's not actually a "step"....

But I don't have any plans on heading down SoCal any time soon...

Thats a whole lot of foot, I assume your like my buddies that have to special order shoes LOL.

[Savvy]

Originally Posted by 06WranglerX

Thats a whole lot of foot, I assume your like my buddies that have to special order shoes LOL.

Naw, he just buys water skis!

[SuperWade2]

Originally Posted by provelogear

Naw, he just buys water skis!

Now that's not very nice... and to think, I was offering to help you guys out...

[06WranglerX]

Originally Posted by SuperWade2

Now that's not very nice... and to think, I was offering to help you guys out...

Awww you got a window near your cube, so jealous lol! When i was in IT i was in the center of the building and couldn't tell you if it was night or day!

BTW wade what happened to the jeep that rolled pic new old?