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Unread 07-13-2009, 07:05 AM   #1
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Rugged Ridge Tie Rod and Drag Link

I had a new Tie Rod and Drag Link installed to replace my bent stock tie rod. I have had my Jeep aligned by two different shops and still can't get it aligned. It won't stay aligned. The last shop thought they had it aligned and every time they took it out for a drive the front alignment would be off again. They also found that the steering wheel would never stay centered. If you turn the wheel all the way to the right and bring it back to center..it wasn't. And the same goes for all the way to the left. The steering wheel never comes back to the same spot when the wheels are centered. They say there is so much play in the new tie rod ends that they can't keep it aligned. Has anyone else had difficulty with this set up? Was it installed improperly? Is this a defective assembly?

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Unread 07-13-2009, 07:18 AM   #2
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You will never center the steering wheel however they should be able to get the alignment right. Reason for the nsteering whel issue is the fact that the tierod and drag link rock up and down. Very hard to explane but where the drag link connects to the tierod, the whole thing can rotate some up and down. That will throw off your steering wheel. Nothing you can do about it. The instructions actually tell you that info.
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Unread 07-13-2009, 08:30 AM   #3
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You will never center the steering wheel however they should be able to get the alignment right. Reason for the nsteering whel issue is the fact that the tierod and drag link rock up and down. Very hard to explane but where the drag link connects to the tierod, the whole thing can rotate some up and down. That will throw off your steering wheel. Nothing you can do about it. The instructions actually tell you that info.
I paid Classic City Off Road to install it and get it aligned so I never saw the instructions, nor did they explain any of that to me before or after wards. They said I may need to buy adjustable lower control arms, front and rear to correct the alignment issue.

They will do the right thing in the long run. It just may take some time to correct these issues with alignment shop they use or in dealing with Rugged Ridge. They have not encountered this kind of problem with other installations on TJ's.

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Unread 07-13-2009, 09:26 AM   #4
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You will never center the steering wheel however
Avoid any shop or product that tells you that. I've aligned and centered the steering wheel on more rigs than should be legal and the only time one won't stay centered is if the steering gear has a problem or something else is trashed.
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Unread 07-13-2009, 09:41 AM   #5
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I had a new Tie Rod and Drag Link installed to replace my bent stock tie rod. I have had my Jeep aligned by two different shops and still can't get it aligned. It won't stay aligned. The last shop thought they had it aligned and every time they took it out for a drive the front alignment would be off again. They also found that the steering wheel would never stay centered. If you turn the wheel all the way to the right and bring it back to center..it wasn't. And the same goes for all the way to the left. The steering wheel never comes back to the same spot when the wheels are centered. They say there is so much play in the new tie rod ends that they can't keep it aligned. Has anyone else had difficulty with this set up? Was it installed improperly? Is this a defective assembly?

that's BS...

if there was even a hint of slop in the tre's an alignment shop that knows what they are doing wouldn't even touch it without replacing the worn part...

take it to someone that knows what they are doing and can find the actual problem, which sounds like a loose track bar issue....

O' an not being able to center the wheel....

I love to hear that while I'm cutting the end off to shorten the rod, which will allow the adjustmnet needed to center the wheel with a small lift..

i'ts all about knowing what you're doing, Take it somewhere else, quit messing around.
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Unread 07-13-2009, 09:43 AM   #6
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I paid Classic City Off Road to install it and get it aligned so I never saw the instructions, nor did they explain any of that to me before or after wards. They said I may need to buy adjustable lower control arms, front and rear to correct the alignment issue.

They will do the right thing in the long run. It just may take some time to correct these issues with alignment shop they use or in dealing with Rugged Ridge. They have not encountered this kind of problem with other installations on TJ's.
I wanna hear what alignment issue the non adjustable rear control arms are causing......
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Unread 07-13-2009, 11:32 AM   #7
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This is why I removed my RR setup. It sucked along with this was wandering, excessive play and bump steer. I'm now back to the stock setup. Someday I'm gonna shorten the RR tierod, rethread it and use this to replace the stock one, but leave the stock draglink. This is one of those "WORST MODS I'VE EVER DONE TO MY TJ"
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I wanna hear what alignment issue the non adjustable rear control arms are causing......
. No kidding, take it somewhere else or do a bit of research so you understand the alignment factors associated with solid axles....it's pretty simple stuff.

Should have gone with Currie.
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Just clock the tie rods slightly opposite each other. This will redice the "rolling" effect, just don't do it so much they bind. I put my RR setup on my D30 and it did fine up to 80 MPH with UNBALANCED 37 SSR radials on Eaton 15x10" beadlocks.

That or get dsomething like the JCR disc looking tierod end bushing dohickies. They steering "setup" is not the problem.
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after a call from mrblaine, I relized what we are dealing with....



in reality the wheel can still be centered but will have kinda a dead spot when the tie rod and drag link roll...

here's how tommyR fixed or at least attempted to take care of it.. hopefully it'll link the thread...



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Here you go. They are basically spacers to put between the tie rod ends and knuckles to prevent the tie rod from rotating as the drag link pushes down on one side of the tie rod.

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after a call from mrblaine, I relized what we are dealing with....



in reality the wheel can still be centered but will have kinda a dead spot when the tie rod and drag link roll...

here's how tommyR fixed or at least attempted to take care of it.. hopefully it'll link the thread...


YEP, that's the dohickey!
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I have the Rugged Ridge steering on mine as weel. Tomorrow it will go back to stock. My advice is to sell it while it's in good condition and buy something else. It's crap. Not as strong as it looks either, one hit to a rock and mine has a nice big bend in it. That style steering as a nice dead spot in it, which feels terrible on the road, and can't be safe. Killer bump steer too. Buying currie or fabbing hi-steer when the cash is there.
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I have the Rugged Ridge steering on mine as weel. Tomorrow it will go back to stock. My advice is to sell it while it's in good condition and buy something else. It's crap. Not as strong as it looks either, one hit to a rock and mine has a nice big bend in it. That style steering as a nice dead spot in it, which feels terrible on the road, and can't be safe. Killer bump steer too. Buying currie or fabbing hi-steer when the cash is there.
if you have bumpsteer the, RR isn't exactly the cause of that.. you either have a droped pitman arm or droped track bar bracket with a stock pitman..



now that is bumpsteer....
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Unread 07-13-2009, 09:39 PM   #15
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if you have bumpsteer the, RR isn't exactly the cause of that.. you either have a droped pitman arm or droped track bar bracket with a stock pitman..



now that is bumpsteer....
I don't have either a dropped pitman arm or dropped track bar bracket.
Started as soon as I put the RR on. I'm sure having a steering stab. on would help, but I can't image that curing everything.
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