Originally Posted by Rubi-Rubi
1" spacers are about $30 extra and a larger lift is between $400 and $1000 extra. The winch may be coming because of the $ saved on the lift. Would an extra .5" to 1" of spring just in the front really give the lift any better function for the money?
I also asked, so if it would work I could install the spacers w/ the lift and not have to do it later. I may just wait and go w/ a 1.25" BL.
The big expense is in arms and trackbars when it comes to the suspension.
As for 'kits', figure out what the parts do. Figure out what happens to the jeep at every inch of lift. A 3" kit on a heavy rig will end up the same as a 2" kit on a light jeep (keeping in mind that all jeeps vary). If it sinks you back down to 2", then the need for those extra parts or driveshaft mods for the 3" lift aren't there, are they?
And you will be VERY dissapointed if you come up short. It's much better to have a bit too much of lift than not enough. Whether via gravity or sheer weight, sagging/settling will take its toll in some fashion.
The BL wouldn't be a bad idea and an MML with it is a much better solution than a t-case drop.
But see what just happened there? The price went up, didn't it?
People who buy expensive kits don't do so because they're loaded or have thousands upon thousands to throw at a hobby. I waited well over 6 months before getting my lift. I surely didn't wait and spend extra money just because I had extra time or cash to throw away. I got it for the quality and because the lift was more complete. Not just coils and shocks. You don't need to replace everything but the frame when you get a small lift, that's more so necessary for the really big lifts. Does that mean nothing happens? If you lift the jeep by an inch, does nothing shift? Of course things shift. No matter the suspension lift height, everthing will shift to some degree. Some people will be bothered by this more than others. My axles were horribly off center. Glad I got adjustable trackbars. But wait, I just added more expense there, didn't I? This is why shopping for suspension by price alone isn't smart.
Vendors ditch parts to bring the price down. I could sell you a set of coils for a couple hundred bucks and guarantee that they will net you 5" of lift. And they will. The coils are the only things lifting the jeep. The extra parts are there to correct the side effects and problems associated with it. The higher the lift, the more adjustments that need to be made - and therefore, more parts which raise the price.
Some vendors are responsible and care about what's needed. They will raise prices to insure you get the parts you need. Other vendors will give you the bare minimum for the newbies who are shopping by price tags and not much else. So just because you see a 3" lift that costs $600 vs. one that costs double that, doesn't mean the more expensive lift is a rip off.
But that's where you have conflicting personalities. Some guys don't care if their jeep rides and corners like a shopping cart, if their axles aren't centered, etc. They'll be satisfied by that. That's fine if you just don't care that much. Then there are guys who'll wait and pay for the parts and different odds and ends, and the expensive shocks, etc. because I and others do drive daily and do care about more than just 'lifting' the jeep. No self-righteous attitude intended. I'm just saying, people are different.
If you're like me, do not shop by a price tag alone. If you're worried about doing it right, sit back and start reading on what's needed. You may laugh at some of the 'kits' out there. Hell, I even thought that OME was a bit shabby, and needed some parts, which is why I bought a more complete OME kit from www.dpgoffroad.com
I payed nearly a grand just for tires. Hell, my tires were about the same cost of the lift. Wheels and tires were more expensive than my whole suspension setup (OME + other goodies). So I don't think lifts are a huge expense, so put some money into them. It's what you and your friends, family, etc. will ride on either on road and off. And an annoyance like squeaking, bad ride, etc. (again) may not bother you at first, but that stuff does get irritating over time. I would bet most everyone is satisfied at first. Come back and talk to me 6 months and a few wheeling trips from now and tell me that you are still satisfied. That is if your back isn't broken from the crappy ride, which is multiplied offroad severely, or if you still have all your parts and they aren't braking or rusting.
Over a year now and the jeep rides better than it did, flexes beautifully, doesn't make me sore after a trail ride, corners like a sports car on the street, hasn't sagged over 1/2" even with the heavy mods......there isn't enough good I can say about my lift.
So it gets irritating seeing guys taking swipes or talking crap as if I'm rich or got ripped off because my 2.5" lift costs double of whatever you are price hunting. If you don't care about any of that. Fine. But one person's satisfaction differs from another. And the jeep better look better, ride better, and perform better overall before I'll say I'm satisfied.
That's a bit of a rant, but consider it a warning to those who are bargain hunting for the best price. You get what you pay for. Do some searches and investigate the companies that you are doing business with. OME has nearly flawless customer satisfaction, over the long term and now I know why. For more complicated setups, there's Rubicon Express and Full Traction which also receive good feedback overall.
There's my little rant. Take it or leave it. I haven't run RC before, for a reason. Over the past couple years on here, including the time investigating lifts, RC had some of the worst comments I had seen. Stuff like the ride is brutal, or people had replaced nearly every part in the kit over time. Just do a search. No personal experience here, so take it with a grain of salt. Just search around and see what you can find. Perhaps things have improved? Hopefully. I don't like reading bad news about other people's vehicles, and I hate seeing newbies jumping all over a company because the price is low. Anyways, it was just enough to keep me away. The 2.2 shocks are different so perhaps some things have improved. Hope so. Time will tell.