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Unread 12-13-2007, 01:18 PM   #1
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Replacing brake pads..ceramic??

Doing a brake job and the parts store offers ceramic pads. Money isnt a prob, just want good, long use pads... are ceramic pads any good? Never used them before...

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Unread 12-13-2007, 01:23 PM   #2
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My vote is a resounding NO. I had them on the YJ once and found they had much less stopping power. Won't do that again.

On the other hand, I've used them on airplanes and like them.
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How many ceramic pad types did you try before you came to that decision? The last brake pads installed on my TJ as a test for mrblaine's Big Brake kit were ceramic and they provided a very noticeable improvement over the previous non-ceramics I was running.
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Unread 12-13-2007, 01:48 PM   #4
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Jerry, youre a nut! So, I guess thats a 'yes' on the ceramic pads Jerry?

Just talked to my buddy who runs a garage and he said yes to the ceramic. he also said Chrysler rotors are notoriously soft and to replace the rotors as well. hell, may as well do rotors, calipers (think front right is sticking), and pads.....................??
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How many ceramic pad types did you try before you came to that decision? The last brake pads installed on my TJ as a test for mrblaine's Big Brake kit were ceramic and they provided a very noticeable improvement over the previous non-ceramics I was running.
What else was in the brake kit?? Did that have an effect on the performance?

I tried one. It was on a YJ, and the performance was so noticably inferior so I didn't see the need to do a widespread test of products to see if there was a difference.

In the case of airplanes, we used a couple of different brands. The difference in the braking systems is so vast that a comparison is not valid.
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Unread 12-13-2007, 02:22 PM   #6
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The Vanco is an upgrade to better calipers. pads and a small screw assortment bag.

It's a good bit more than just a pad replacement though.
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Unread 12-13-2007, 07:07 PM   #7
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If you're just looking for top rate pad replacement the EBC Green Stuff or Napa Severe Duty pads are at the top of the list. Also vetted and approved by Mr Blaine.

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Unread 12-13-2007, 11:33 PM   #9
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What else was in the brake kit?? Did that have an effect on the performance?

I tried one. It was on a YJ, and the performance was so noticably inferior so I didn't see the need to do a widespread test of products to see if there was a difference.

In the case of airplanes, we used a couple of different brands. The difference in the braking systems is so vast that a comparison is not valid.
That's cute. Take one brand's version of a ceramic pad that's pure crap and use that to label all others to be the same performance and then readily admit that the same logic doesn't hold true in a different application.

You are correct in one aspect though, just because it says ceramic does not mean it's a good pad. In fact if you run a taller heavy rig with big tires and run the Morse ceramics from AutoZone, we may well read about you in the obituaries, they are that bad. OTOH, if you run the Centric version of the Ceramic pad, we may read about you in the accident pages because you got rearended.

Don't be so quick to judge something you have no experience with.
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Unread 12-14-2007, 05:43 AM   #10
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That's cute. Take one brand's version of a ceramic pad that's pure crap and use that to label all others to be the same performance and then readily admit that the same logic doesn't hold true in a different application.

You are correct in one aspect though, just because it says ceramic does not mean it's a good pad. In fact if you run a taller heavy rig with big tires and run the Morse ceramics from AutoZone, we may well read about you in the obituaries, they are that bad. OTOH, if you run the Centric version of the Ceramic pad, we may read about you in the accident pages because you got rearended.

Don't be so quick to judge something you have no experience with.
mrblaine,

You scared me a little with that last post (Morse ceramics)...after I finished laughing I mean.

So I went and got the box my pads came in... These are Wagner Thermo Quiet pads put out by Federal-Mogul Corp., Southfield, MI. Are these safe to run? I'd love to know before I put it all back together - I can still take them back... changing pads, rotors, calipers, etc.

I appreciate your help
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I recently added the EBC slotted/dimpled rotors and EBC SUV red ceramic pads. I followed the instructions and feel I didnt gain anything and actually think my braking is less.
Initially they felt really good but as time has gone on I'm thinking it is not what I want.
I have redone the break in procedure several times and it does improve it each time but that quickly fades, no pun intended, after a few stops in traffic. Im a late braker so I use them hard.
Im just not ready to drop $1k on brakes. I know I know, I will have when you add everything up working with other stuff.
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Unread 12-14-2007, 09:49 AM   #12
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I recently added the EBC slotted/dimpled rotors and EBC SUV red ceramic pads. I followed the instructions and feel I didnt gain anything and actually think my braking is less.
Initially they felt really good but as time has gone on I'm thinking it is not what I want.
I have redone the break in procedure several times and it does improve it each time but that quickly fades, no pun intended, after a few stops in traffic. Im a late braker so I use them hard.
Im just not ready to drop $1k on brakes. I know I know, I will have when you add everything up working with other stuff.
Do yourself a favor and dump those rotors for some premium vented rotors from someone like Centric. You will be pleased with the swap, although I don't have any experience with the Red pads and would probably have gone to the 7000 series green ones instead. No matter what though, dump the rotors.
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mrblaine,

You scared me a little with that last post (Morse ceramics)...after I finished laughing I mean.

So I went and got the box my pads came in... These are Wagner Thermo Quiet pads put out by Federal-Mogul Corp., Southfield, MI. Are these safe to run? I'd love to know before I put it all back together - I can still take them back... changing pads, rotors, calipers, etc.

I appreciate your help
No experience with them, but I've not heard or read anything that tells me you won't be okay either.
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I recently added the EBC slotted/dimpled rotors and EBC SUV red ceramic pads. I followed the instructions and feel I didnt gain anything and actually think my braking is less.
Initially they felt really good but as time has gone on I'm thinking it is not what I want.
I have redone the break in procedure several times and it does improve it each time but that quickly fades, no pun intended, after a few stops in traffic. Im a late braker so I use them hard.
Im just not ready to drop $1k on brakes. I know I know, I will have when you add everything up working with other stuff.
What break-in procedure is EBC calling out for the Red pads?
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mrblaine,

You scared me a little with that last post (Morse ceramics)...after I finished laughing I mean.

So I went and got the box my pads came in... These are Wagner Thermo Quiet pads put out by Federal-Mogul Corp., Southfield, MI. Are these safe to run? I'd love to know before I put it all back together - I can still take them back... changing pads, rotors, calipers, etc.

I appreciate your help
Am running 33`s and swapped out stock pads for the exact ones you have, Wagner Thermo Quiet. I found them to be a HUGE improvement over stock and I installed them on the worn stock rotors. In fact the braking improvement was so great I thought sure the new pads would warp my stock rotors in no time but it has been about 20K miles now and my stock rotors are still OK, not great, but OK.

I think you will be very happy with the Wagner Thermo Quiets.

Good Luck!
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