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Unread 08-10-2010, 09:04 PM   #76
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I don't know what a blainesque post is other than trying to keep folks from being misinformed. Everytime I've made a point about the actual involvement of what it takes to run the whoops, you counter with something that makes it sound easier than it really is. That's my only point. It's not easy, it's not cheap and it's not bolt on and it takes more that shocks.

If he just wants to have fun without racing and doing it long term, then he's not going to blow up the 9000XL's.
misinformed?? where was the misinformation at? maybe you should read the thread in its entirity prior to just posting some rock crawling valve specs.... where are these points and where did i disagree with your "it takes more then just shocks" comment. did you not see my prior quotes about warning him as well???? ranchoXL's makes me chuckle everytime you bring them up for hitting anything in the desert. id imagine it would look something like this with those shocks
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well bob he didnt blow his shocks but everything else is fubar... great recomendation chief. lol IM out on this one, have fun blaine

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Unread 08-10-2010, 09:11 PM   #77
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misinformed?? where was the misinformation at? maybe you should read the thread in its entirity prior to just posting some rock crawling valve specs.... where are these points and where did i disagree with your "it takes more then just shocks" comment. did you not see my prior quotes about warning him as well???? ranchoXL's makes me chuckle everytime you bring them up for hitting anything in the desert. id imagine it would look something like this with those shocks
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well bob he didnt blow his shocks but everything else is fubar... great recomendation chief. lol IM out on this one, have fun blaine
Since we're picking nits over who forgets what was said, how come you haven't gone back and tossed this one at me?

Read it slowly and carefully and let it sink in. READ THE FIRST SIX WORDS.

Me being quite fond of them does not mean there are not suitable alternatives. Now you can be out.

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I'm very fond of Fox shocks. I'm not fond of the stock valving they use in the factory replacements nor am I that happy with most of the lengths they offer.

It's also very hard to make them ride better than other shocks on the street and if you don't mind being annoyed by something you drive daily, they are great shocks.

Hands down you can make them perform very well on the trail, or you can make them perform very well on the way to the trail, or, you can make them sorta work at both.
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Unread 08-14-2010, 12:12 PM   #78
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Wow I leave for a week to Cali and I got flooded with alot of useful information haha.. Mrblaine, you said to post up a specific valving setup and you could tell me what the drawbacks are, how about 55/45 for the fox 2.0?

Its down to either the fox 2.0's with custom valving and the rancho pro series 9000xl remote reservoirs. only problem is I can't find any lengths offered online for my 6" lift for the ranchos. I know that what I need is ext. length about 28.44 and compressed 17". While the rear is ext. 25 and comp. 15".
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Unread 08-14-2010, 04:35 PM   #79
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how about 55/45 for the fox 2.0?
typically in the rear of the TJ you lighten the snot out of the compression & stiffen up the rebound. The forward weight bias & short wheelbase make it a difficult vehicle to deal with. Typically in the rear, 30 on the compression (Blaine prefers the dual bleed pistons Vs. Single bleed pistons when working with Fox's & general purpose driving. Blaine correct me if im wrong ) upwards of 90 on the rebound. It will help keep it from "packing up" & "Pogoing" For faster stuff, go to a lighter rebound stack.


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Its down to either the fox 2.0's with custom valving and the rancho pro series 9000xl remote reservoirs. only problem is I can't find any lengths offered online for my 6" lift for the ranchos. I know that what I need is ext. length about 28.44 and compressed 17". While the rear is ext. 25 and comp. 15".
If you can afford to do it. Outboard it, especially with your lift height.

Fox Dim. Found Here:
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FOX-980-02-270-A 96-06 Jeep TJ/XJ/ZJ Front 4" 2.0" Emulsion Black, Cadmium 25.00" 15.37"
FOX-980-02-299-A 96-06 Jeep TJ/XJ/ZJ Front 4" 2.0" Remote Reservoir Black, Cadmium 25.23" 15.60"
FOX-980-02-302-A 96-06 Jeep TJ/XJ/ZJ Front 4" 2.0" Remote Res w/ CD Adjuster Black, Cadmium 25.22" 15.60"
FOX-980-02-282-A 96-06 Jeep TJ/XJ/ZJ Front 6" 2.0" Emulsion Black, Cadmium 28.83" 17.33"
FOX-980-02-301-A 96-06 Jeep TJ/XJ/ZJ Front 6" 2.0" Remote Reservoir Black, Cadmium 29.28" 17.78"
FOX-980-02-304-A 96-06 Jeep TJ/XJ/ZJ Front 6" 2.0" Remote Res w/ CD Adjuster Black, Cadmium 29.28" 17.78"
FOX-980-02-271-A 96-06 Jeep TJ/XJ/ZJ Rear 4"-6" 2.0" Emulsion Black, Cadmium 25.00" 15.37"
FOX-980-02-300-A 96-06 Jeep TJ/XJ/ZJ Rear 4"-6" 2.0" Remote Reservoir Black, Cadmium 25.00" 15.37"
FOX-980-02-303-A 96-06 Jeep TJ/XJ/ZJ Rear 4"-6" 2.0" Remote Res w/ CD Adjuster Black, Cadmium 25.00" 15.37"
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Unread 08-14-2010, 05:52 PM   #80
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typically in the rear of the TJ you lighten the snot out of the compression & stiffen up the rebound. The forward weight bias & short wheelbase make it a difficult vehicle to deal with. Typically in the rear, 30 on the compression (Blaine prefers the dual bleed pistons Vs. Single bleed pistons when working with Fox's & general purpose driving. Blaine correct me if im wrong ) upwards of 90 on the rebound. It will help keep it from "packing up" & "Pogoing" For faster stuff, go to a lighter rebound stack.



If you can afford to do it. Outboard it, especially with your lift height.

Fox Dim. Found Here:
Link To shocks & Chart- Click


FOX-980-02-270-A 96-06 Jeep TJ/XJ/ZJ Front 4" 2.0" Emulsion Black, Cadmium 25.00" 15.37"
FOX-980-02-299-A 96-06 Jeep TJ/XJ/ZJ Front 4" 2.0" Remote Reservoir Black, Cadmium 25.23" 15.60"
FOX-980-02-302-A 96-06 Jeep TJ/XJ/ZJ Front 4" 2.0" Remote Res w/ CD Adjuster Black, Cadmium 25.22" 15.60"
FOX-980-02-282-A 96-06 Jeep TJ/XJ/ZJ Front 6" 2.0" Emulsion Black, Cadmium 28.83" 17.33"
FOX-980-02-301-A 96-06 Jeep TJ/XJ/ZJ Front 6" 2.0" Remote Reservoir Black, Cadmium 29.28" 17.78"
FOX-980-02-304-A 96-06 Jeep TJ/XJ/ZJ Front 6" 2.0" Remote Res w/ CD Adjuster Black, Cadmium 29.28" 17.78"
FOX-980-02-271-A 96-06 Jeep TJ/XJ/ZJ Rear 4"-6" 2.0" Emulsion Black, Cadmium 25.00" 15.37"
FOX-980-02-300-A 96-06 Jeep TJ/XJ/ZJ Rear 4"-6" 2.0" Remote Reservoir Black, Cadmium 25.00" 15.37"
FOX-980-02-303-A 96-06 Jeep TJ/XJ/ZJ Rear 4"-6" 2.0" Remote Res w/ CD Adjuster Black, Cadmium 25.00" 15.37"
You got everything pretty correct except out in JV I have found that the higher rebound numbers cause it to pack up because the tire can't get back on the ground fast enough, so it hits the next bump partially extended.

You can also take a TJ with between 94 and a 100" of wheelbase on 35-37" tires and take it from a line slobbering POS to sticking the lines simply by changing from 50/80 to 30/90

The reasons I called that perfect valving for trail usage is because it's hard to go much lighter in the shim stack on compression and any tighter on the rebound and they really pack up.

I'm currently running 35/75 and it's okay on the trail and okay on the way there. The real eye opener is going from 30/90 to 30/75 and noting how much faster you can go through the bumps. It's very counterintuitive until you figure out what's happening.
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Unread 08-14-2010, 06:45 PM   #81
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You got everything pretty correct except out in JV I have found that the higher rebound numbers cause it to pack up because the tire can't get back on the ground fast enough, so it hits the next bump partially extended.

You can also take a TJ with between 94 and a 100" of wheelbase on 35-37" tires and take it from a line slobbering POS to sticking the lines simply by changing from 50/80 to 30/90

The reasons I called that perfect valving for trail usage is because it's hard to go much lighter in the shim stack on compression and any tighter on the rebound and they really pack up.

I'm currently running 35/75 and it's okay on the trail and okay on the way there. The real eye opener is going from 30/90 to 30/75 and noting how much faster you can go through the bumps. It's very counterintuitive until you figure out what's happening.
Okay let me pick at your brain a bit.. why is it that Sonny at Downsouth Motorsports swears by 55/45 for the fronts and 45/65 in the rears for the 2.0 reservoirs when referring to an all around good combo b/w daily driving and out on the trails?

I know you have a considerate amount of time and knowledge regarding said valving with the fox shocks so help steer me in the right direction. I do daily drive my rig, and was hoping to get rid of the crappy harsh ride of rancho rs5000, but do enjoy going out and blasting through washboards in the desert with a friend whose got a Tacoma..

Not much large rocks around here such as in JV, closest thing to that would be the Las Cruces Chile Challenge which is annually, but I'm not sure thats enough to merit valving my shocks strictly for one event.
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Unread 08-14-2010, 06:48 PM   #82
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typically in the rear of the TJ you lighten the snot out of the compression & stiffen up the rebound. The forward weight bias & short wheelbase make it a difficult vehicle to deal with. Typically in the rear, 30 on the compression (Blaine prefers the dual bleed pistons Vs. Single bleed pistons when working with Fox's & general purpose driving. Blaine correct me if im wrong ) upwards of 90 on the rebound. It will help keep it from "packing up" & "Pogoing" For faster stuff, go to a lighter rebound stack.



If you can afford to do it. Outboard it, especially with your lift height.

Fox Dim. Found Here:
Link To shocks & Chart- Click


FOX-980-02-270-A 96-06 Jeep TJ/XJ/ZJ Front 4" 2.0" Emulsion Black, Cadmium 25.00" 15.37"
FOX-980-02-299-A 96-06 Jeep TJ/XJ/ZJ Front 4" 2.0" Remote Reservoir Black, Cadmium 25.23" 15.60"
FOX-980-02-302-A 96-06 Jeep TJ/XJ/ZJ Front 4" 2.0" Remote Res w/ CD Adjuster Black, Cadmium 25.22" 15.60"
FOX-980-02-282-A 96-06 Jeep TJ/XJ/ZJ Front 6" 2.0" Emulsion Black, Cadmium 28.83" 17.33"
FOX-980-02-301-A 96-06 Jeep TJ/XJ/ZJ Front 6" 2.0" Remote Reservoir Black, Cadmium 29.28" 17.78"
FOX-980-02-304-A 96-06 Jeep TJ/XJ/ZJ Front 6" 2.0" Remote Res w/ CD Adjuster Black, Cadmium 29.28" 17.78"
FOX-980-02-271-A 96-06 Jeep TJ/XJ/ZJ Rear 4"-6" 2.0" Emulsion Black, Cadmium 25.00" 15.37"
FOX-980-02-300-A 96-06 Jeep TJ/XJ/ZJ Rear 4"-6" 2.0" Remote Reservoir Black, Cadmium 25.00" 15.37"
FOX-980-02-303-A 96-06 Jeep TJ/XJ/ZJ Rear 4"-6" 2.0" Remote Res w/ CD Adjuster Black, Cadmium 25.00" 15.37"
Thanks for the chart! I'll be sure to look up the lengths so I can order the right ones, I guess it looks like an 11" travel up front and a 10" travel in the rear. I don't really have the cash to outboard at the same time. But hopefully when I do, then I will also have the cash to stretch and coilover at the same time...
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Unread 08-14-2010, 09:29 PM   #83
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Okay let me pick at your brain a bit.. why is it that Sonny at Downsouth Motorsports swears by 55/45 for the fronts and 45/65 in the rears for the 2.0 reservoirs when referring to an all around good combo b/w daily driving and out on the trails?
Because that valving would be far better all around than the valving I use when you on the street.

Like I've said repeatedly throughout this thread and anytime the subject comes up, you can make it work great on the trail, you can make it work great on the way to the trail, you cannot make it do both.

You're welcome to try, Sonny is welcome to try and if you all get it figured out, post it up because everyone will use it.
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Because that valving would be far better all around than the valving I use when you on the street.

Like I've said repeatedly throughout this thread and anytime the subject comes up, you can make it work great on the trail, you can make it work great on the way to the trail, you cannot make it do both.

You're welcome to try, Sonny is welcome to try and if you all get it figured out, post it up because everyone will use it.
Oh okay now I get where your coming from and I appreciate all your information. Now I have another dilemma which make things even more difficult to choose from.

I just read about the new bilstein 5160 reservoir shock which is supposed to have te same great handling of the 5100's, which is a plus. Do you have any insight on these new shocks, opinions, etc..? Or perhaps where I can find a release date?
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Oh okay now I get where your coming from and I appreciate all your information. Now I have another dilemma which make things even more difficult to choose from.

I just read about the new bilstein 5160 reservoir shock which is supposed to have te same great handling of the 5100's, which is a plus. Do you have any insight on these new shocks, opinions, etc..? Or perhaps where I can find a release date?
I typed out about 5 paragraphs for you, then I thought better because it's nothing I haven't already said and clarified, so go get what you want and tell us how it works for you.
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Hurray!

Im going with adjustable fox 2.0 shocks for my rig thansk to this heated battle. I need thay magic on my ride into the desert!
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Hurray!

Im going with adjustable fox 2.0 shocks for my rig thansk to this heated battle. I need thay magic on my ride into the desert!
Haha that's good it helped you decide.. What valving are you going to go with?
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Alright well I decided to go ahead and give the fox shocks a try and they have already arrived. Problem is... the rear shocks have a bar pin eliminator at the top mount and I need to get rid of it due to the Nth shock shifters. The instructions say to remove the top bpe and replace it with the metal sleeve thats at the bottom of the shock, so...

1. How can I remove the bpe without damaging the rubber bushing?
2. Can I press out the lower metal sleeve with a ball joint press?
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I got fox shocks too! I got the 8 way adjustable ones in a great deal from Poly Performance! Best shocks ever!
So that eliminates the need to have them valved to any one setting. You can dial these up and down for your preference onroad or off.

I mounted them and they are kick ***. just think I put the right resivoir too close to the exhaust pipe! gotta find somewhere else for it I think.
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Ya the exhaust looks like it might come real close to hitting the reservoir so I'm thinking of cutting the exhaust. I just wanted to ask you guys, how far back under the jeep can I cut the exhaust tube but still be street legal? If I can go a ways back I will certainly do it..
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