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Unread 06-07-2007, 09:41 AM   #31
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Stumbled upon this some how and I think you can find those nutserts cheaper on McMaster.com, which would be a first.

You just need to know the thickness of the frame.
If its less than 5.1mm use this number 95105A208 $10.67 for 10
If it is between 5.1 and 8.9 use this number 95105A209 $11.64 for 10

Not sure if these are the same as what you get from the dealership but maybe someone can check it out.

They also have them for 1/2" for older TJs

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Unread 06-26-2007, 10:12 PM   #32
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Dealership told me all they could do is cut open the frame and weld a new nut in there.
They said it wasn't a very common problem for these to come loose.
wow

I'm going to make this tool and try it out and see if i can save the one that is still in there.
We must be going to the same dealer.
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Unread 02-05-2008, 02:36 PM   #33
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I spoke to a welder fabricator buddy about welding nuts into the frame.
His suggestion might work (I haven't looked too closely yet, but if memory serves it might be tough to do.)
If there's a space somewhere to slip regular nuts into the frame and work them into place, he suggested this:
Drill 2 or 3 holes around/next to the existing hole.
Get the nut into place. (get couple of threads started on a scrap long bolt for a handle to hold it in place.)
Weld through the holes in the 2 or 3 places.
Nut stays put.
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Nice. Thanks BDuece & Mrblaine.
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Unread 04-09-2008, 09:27 AM   #36
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Just an update men. I bought some nutserts today from jeep. 8.20 ea. ! I gave them a part number and nothing was coming up so if i were u i would just say u need framerail nutserts for a wangler and they will find them right away. All of them have these on hand at all times. It would be silly not to... Oh and BDuece, Thanx for the write-up. It saved my life. Your wife should be proud. haha
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Unread 04-15-2008, 07:51 PM   #37
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I just picked them up from Fastenal this past weekend (had to order). At $0.80 each I thought it was a steal - I would return to the dealer if you can.
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I just picked them up from Fastenal this past weekend (had to order). At $0.80 each I thought it was a steal - I would return to the dealer if you can.
I'd be surprised if what you bought is the same as the OEM nutserts. Can you post up a pic of them?
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Here's what they are supposed to look like.

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I'd be surprised if what you bought is the same as the OEM nutserts. Can you post up a pic of them?
Nutserts are nutserts - just the same as any other specified fastener. They are nothing unique to Jeep. They installed easily for my and are torqued to 100ftlbs and waiting to be tacked just to make sure.
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Unread 04-15-2008, 10:45 PM   #41
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Nutserts are nutserts - just the same as any other specified fastener. They are nothing unique to Jeep. They installed easily for my and are torqued to 100ftlbs and waiting to be tacked just to make sure.
You keep believing that. Those used in the frame will fail miserably.

You also keep believing that they aren't unique to Jeep. I've been in contact with the manufacturer of them and they are indeed unique to Jeep and an engineered product for a specific application.

I posted what they should look like and if they don't look like that, you shouldn't install them in the frame to hold up your transmission, provide lateral support, and brace the frame.

Please post up a pic of your tack welds, that will be interesting.
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You keep believing that. Those used in the frame will fail miserably.

You also keep believing that they aren't unique to Jeep. I've been in contact with the manufacturer of them and they are indeed unique to Jeep and an engineered product for a specific application.

I posted what they should look like and if they don't look like that, you shouldn't install them in the frame to hold up your transmission, provide lateral support, and brace the frame.

Please post up a pic of your tack welds, that will be interesting.
Who is the manufacturer? I am going to call your bluff on that one.
What do your nutserts measure not including threads? Mine are a little under 1/8" in grade 8. It is hard to tell from a picture but yours look about the same, only not in grade 8. I do not dispute the fact that Jeep can provide direct OEM replacements, but nutserts are still not unique to Jeep as I stated earlier and any spec grade fasteners will conform.
I can post a picture of a tack weld if you would like, but it will be a few weeks. (rear output seal and clutch replacement on the list.)
Another issue is cost. 49.20 vs 4.80

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I spoke to a welder fabricator buddy about welding nuts into the frame.
His suggestion might work (I haven't looked too closely yet, but if memory serves it might be tough to do.)
If there's a space somewhere to slip regular nuts into the frame and work them into place, he suggested this:
Drill 2 or 3 holes around/next to the existing hole.
Get the nut into place. (get couple of threads started on a scrap long bolt for a handle to hold it in place.)
Weld through the holes in the 2 or 3 places.
Nut stays put.
FSM states not to drill in top or bottom of frame rails. Any holes drilled in the sides must be a specified mimimum distance from the edges.
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Who is the manufacturer? I am going to call your bluff on that one.
I never never ever bluff. The manufacturer is AVK industrial products. The Rep for the industrial side of AVK for automotive fasteners is Tom McGee. I acquired the samples you see in the pictures from Marshall Sales in MI and the salesman was named Brian. AVK does not sell direct, only through distributors.

The standard pack quantity for this part number AVK 3047 is 500 and that's the minimum quantity I can purchase from Marshall. The lot number of that part is 0391192.

AVK is located in Valencia CA on Rye Canyon Road according to the invoice I have in front of me. They shipped me the samples per my request to Marshall Sales.

That particular number is a special fastener engineered for Jeep and is not available through any other method. It is not an off the shelf fastener listed anywhere. I had to jump through several hoops including finding the factory designation for that fastener and then several back and forth sessions with Brian at Marshall while he cleared the sale with AVK.

I gave you the part number, go to AVK's site, get the phone number and call them about it.

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What do your nutserts measure not including threads? Mine are a little under 1/8" in grade 8. It is hard to tell from a picture but yours look about the same, only not in grade 8. I do not dispute the fact that Jeep can provide direct OEM replacements, but nutserts are still not unique to Jeep as I stated earlier and any spec grade fasteners will conform.
If you even remotely think that they are remotely the same fastener based on the pics, then we have much larger issues than you thinking you know anything about fasteners.

What are you basing your grade 8 designation off of, the color?
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Another issue is cost. 49.20 vs 4.80
Not if you buy them 500 at a time.
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Unread 04-16-2008, 10:04 AM   #45
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How offten does a nutsert spin? I have and 02 and I am about to drop the tcase to cure some vibes after a 2.25 BB. Is this somthing I need to look out for? Can I get some blaster on them some how?
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