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Unread 06-19-2012, 07:01 PM   #1
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NO bumpstops at all. Adjustable trackbar?

I have a RC 3.25" on my TJ. I have a pretty bad case of death wobble. And think a adjustable track bar is in my imidiate future. but here's the problem, I have NO bump stops. At all. When putting my lift on we couldnt get the spacers over the bump stops so my dad just hammered them off. I know probably not the best idea, but his excuse was "you dont wheel hard enough to need them anyway" Which in a sense he is correct, ive dont wheel very hard on account im in college and cant afford to fix something everytime it breaks. I rarely disconnect my swaybars. Is it safe to say that i dont really need bumpstops to put on this track bar? Im aware of it getting in the way of the diff cover, and denting the oil pan all that good stuff. but i dont think im flexing enough right now to worry about it at this time. Im also aware that a track bar may not be the only problem or the problem at all. but ive got a little bit of money, and from what ive read the only way to solve DW is to expiriment with those front end parts. My tires are in decent condition, and were balanced a few months ago. 203000 miles and stock trac bar, so im thinking this is a good place to start? any advice is appreciated. Im sorry this is so long. but ive done a lot of searcing on my situation on the forum and havent found anybody that fits my exact position. Thanks guys.

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Unread 06-19-2012, 07:07 PM   #2
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Adjustable or not really doesn't have anything to do with the DW. It is the bushings wearing out that could cause this.

You need bumpstops. Do you ever hit potholes on the highway? Or go over speed bumps?
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Unread 06-19-2012, 07:08 PM   #3
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I have NO bump stops. At all. When putting my lift on we couldnt get the spacers over the bump stops so my dad just hammered them off.
I have to ask, why didn't just take them off? Has he ever heard of a wrench, or does he just go straight for the hammer?
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Unread 06-19-2012, 07:09 PM   #4
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You should sell it now while it might be worth some money... keep doing what you're doing and you'll be lucky if anyone would take the time to come get it for free.
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Unread 06-19-2012, 07:16 PM   #5
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have NO bump stops. At all. When putting my lift on we couldnt get the spacers over the bump stops so my dad just hammered them off.
that was one heck of an act of stupidity.

I hope you know how to use a welder and have at least a day to kill so you can rebuild one of the most important parts of your Jeep's suspension.
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Unread 06-19-2012, 07:18 PM   #6
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i live in michigan, and rust is an issue, we deffinately tried wrenching them off first, but ol' blue wasnt having it. I know the bushings are whats bad, i can tell by looking at them. but since im going to have it off, i thought id just put a new shiny one back on. Normally were not ones for half A$$ing things and i wasnt happy when that happened at all. of coarse ive hit pot holes and speed bumps, I have death wobble. but i really dont think ive ever bottomed anything out. even when i have had sway bars disconnected.
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but i really dont think ive ever bottomed anything out. even when i have had sway bars disconnected.
Keep telling yourself that!
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Unread 06-19-2012, 07:20 PM   #8
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wouldnt you be able to tell?
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With 203,000 miles it could be that you need to replace most if not all the original parts associated with steering. Bushings worn? Tie Rod ends shot? Something bent from the PO?

Tell dad he's going to need a bigger hammer.



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Unread 06-19-2012, 07:34 PM   #10
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We just replaced the steering gear box, and it did seem to help make the steering tighter. The track bar bushings did seem pretty dry rotted. but its tight. Weve checked the tie rods. seem fine. the PO was a girl. who wasnt rough on the jeep. I dont even think it saw a trail until i owned it.
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We just replaced the steering gear box, and it did seem to help make the steering tighter. The track bar bushings did seem pretty dry rotted. but its tight. Weve checked the tie rods. seem fine. the PO was a girl. who wasnt rough on the jeep. I dont even think it saw a trail until i owned it.
Do you want our advice or not? 15 years and 200k+ miles will wear stuff out.

And you're questioning the bumpstop thing? Not even going to go there again.
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Unread 06-19-2012, 08:53 PM   #12
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What are you talking about? I didnt deny anbody's advice? as a matter a fact thats why im hear asking about these things. Im sharing the information i have with you "fellow" jeep owners hoping for a little of your expirience to be shared. Im clearly aware things are getting worn out. thats why im looking to replace them. and Im questioning things because i want to know more. Not that i think any of you are wrong. I simply thought that the things i mentioned would help narrow something down.
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Unread 06-19-2012, 09:02 PM   #13
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I picked up a bad case of death wobble on the highway hitting a bump at 70+ mph. I systematically went through the wheels, tie rods and track bar.

Ball Joints and hub bearings were fine.

Pitman Tie rod, and passenger side tie rod were bad. Getting lateral and up and down movement on the tie rods. I replaced both of those.

Tie rod at the drag link and driver side tie rod were likewise bad and have been replaced.

The steering is better and teh death wobble is back in control. However, the bushings on the track bar are bad and since I just lifted the jeep 2.5" I ordered an adjustable track bar. Once it is on I will do an alignment.

I think that will take care of it.

85,000 miles on the Jeep. I bought it used so there is no telling what it had been through.
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Unread 06-19-2012, 09:17 PM   #14
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Thank you, i just checked for movement in my tie rods like 2 days ago and there was nothin, but i replaced those a little over a year ago when i bought the jeep. my bushings are what seem bad. if you can let me know how the new track bar goes for you. Sounds like i need some bump stops before i order one though. haha
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Unread 06-19-2012, 11:13 PM   #15
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First off: FACEPALM!

Google a dry steer test and do that and you will most likely find your problem. Chances are it is the track bar.

And WTF do you mean no bumpstops? You pull the rubber bumpstop out by hand. Then unbolt it with I believe a 17mm. Use a cheater bar if you need to, then put the spacer in between and bolt it up with the new bolt. Did your lift kit not come with instructions?
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