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Unread 01-09-2006, 10:18 PM   #1
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New Rockers from PSC.....



I like the styling, it really stands out as something unique. What do ya'll think of the "Helldorados"?

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Unread 01-09-2006, 10:28 PM   #2
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i like em but there probably gonna cost like 600 bucks
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I doubt that.....everything PSC has is prett resonable for what you get.....
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They don't appear to extend very far underneath. The design looks cool, but it also looks like it can be done to just about any rocker that has a step/slider.

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They are coming out with all kinds of new stuff...there a new trail cage called Hellorado as well.....
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Look cool might have to upgrade my psc's
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I've played with the PSC a bit more since my last post about their design flaws and have since discovered that my original theories are now bearing fruit.

Someone at PSC needs to learn a few things about rockers.

This whole sandwiching between the body mount and tub is a crap design. Those three mounts under the doors sit in dimples on the underside of the tub. Those three mounts are designed to be compressed a specific amount to carry the weight of the tub. How do you expect that to happen if you compress 2 of them a half inch more than the one in the front because you span over the dimple instead of up into it?

Would anyone here in their right mind shave a half inch off of two body lift pucks on each side under the doors and call that correct?

How about if I send the guys with no body lift 4 half inch thick pucks and have them install them under the doors on the last 2 mounts on each side? Would that be okay?

Further, look at the rear slot on the rail. See that little finger of metal pointing to the inside? Guess what happens to it when the over compression of that body mount gets done with it?

There is ample room to make that finger another inch wider so that it won't distort up into the dimple in the body.
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I've played with the PSC a bit more since my last post about their design flaws and have since discovered that my original theories are now bearing fruit.

Someone at PSC needs to learn a few things about rockers.

This whole sandwiching between the body mount and tub is a crap design. Those three mounts under the doors sit in dimples on the underside of the tub. Those three mounts are designed to be compressed a specific amount to carry the weight of the tub. How do you expect that to happen if you compress 2 of them a half inch more than the one in the front because you span over the dimple instead of up into it?

Would anyone here in their right mind shave a half inch off of two body lift pucks on each side under the doors and call that correct?

How about if I send the guys with no body lift 4 half inch thick pucks and have them install them under the doors on the last 2 mounts on each side? Would that be okay?

Further, look at the rear slot on the rail. See that little finger of metal pointing to the inside? Guess what happens to it when the over compression of that body mount gets done with it?

There is ample room to make that finger another inch wider so that it won't distort up into the dimple in the body.
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Last I read about PSC rockers you were supposed to trim about 1/4" off those pucks.
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Last I read about PSC rockers you were supposed to trim about 1/4" off those pucks.

What do you do if you don't have a body lift?
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I've played with the PSC a bit more since my last post about their design flaws and have since discovered that my original theories are now bearing fruit.

Someone at PSC needs to learn a few things about rockers.

This whole sandwiching between the body mount and tub is a crap design. Those three mounts under the doors sit in dimples on the underside of the tub. Those three mounts are designed to be compressed a specific amount to carry the weight of the tub. How do you expect that to happen if you compress 2 of them a half inch more than the one in the front because you span over the dimple instead of up into it?

Would anyone here in their right mind shave a half inch off of two body lift pucks on each side under the doors and call that correct?

How about if I send the guys with no body lift 4 half inch thick pucks and have them install them under the doors on the last 2 mounts on each side? Would that be okay?

Further, look at the rear slot on the rail. See that little finger of metal pointing to the inside? Guess what happens to it when the over compression of that body mount gets done with it?

There is ample room to make that finger another inch wider so that it won't distort up into the dimple in the body.
While I haven't installed a set or really looked at the mounting system up close I think I understand what you're saying.

So if they were going to use this style of mounting system properly, the way to do it would be to insert the rocker guard in between the frame mount and the top body mount so that the top body mount still sandwiched in the concave in the body, correct? So the order would be body > body mount > rocker guard > body lift (if used) > frame. This would work better assuming you have a flat body lift puck and not a contoured one like Currie makes.

The only potential problem I could see here is that this may create a gap between the rocker guard and the body...

I suppose another potential fix would be to include a new shorter body mount which goes under the rocker guard and fills in the concave in the body properly. If you chop 1/2" off your body lift puck and insert it in between the rocker guard and the body does that fill in the concave properly? The best solution would be to provide a new shorter body mount here that installs above the rocker guard yet does not create a gap between the rocker guard and the body.

Looking through their website it appears they have changed their mounting system to what I described above for the Unlimited:



vs. this for a standard TJ

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What do you do if you don't have a body lift?
You don't buy those rockers.

PSC sells cage kits for YJs but I don't have a YJ, whatever will I do???
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What do you do if you don't have a body lift?
Is the body mount strong enough that you could cut it in half (rough guess) and still re-use the upper portion above the rocker guard??
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I like the styling, it really stands out as something unique. What do ya'll think of the "Helldorados"?
I think that for someone who wants a useful side step that's the best design I've seen
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How would you like to buy a set thinking that they were pretty good for playing in the rocks only to have them let the rocker slide inwards because it's only clamped in place with the body mounts? That caves in the rocker right where the spider logo is.

On the rig I was working on, it caved in the rocker enough to slightly crumple the floor.

Is that what you want your rockers to do?
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