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post #16 of 36 Old 11-26-2010, 10:52 AM
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ATM?...
You know, the kind that dispenses cash to help replace itself.


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post #17 of 36 Old 11-26-2010, 10:52 AM
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According to Johnson they fixed the problem with the Optimas in 11-09. So any Optima made after that date should be ok according to them. I have a Red top that was made 10-09 and it's ok so far.

I had an Exide Orbital out last the 84 month warranty! Hows that for a suprize? I couldn't locate another Orbital locally so thats when I went with the Optima.
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According to Johnson they fixed the problem with the Optimas in 11-09.
What? JCI actually admitted there was a problem? Where?

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You know, the kind that dispenses cash to help replace itself.
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According to Johnson they fixed the problem with the Optimas in 11-09. So any Optima made after that date should be ok according to them. .......

Possibly so but with them still made in Mexico, I won't call them fixed till they move production back where it was and hire back those they put out on the street.

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...I had three... count them, THREE... Optimas die premature deaths in my '97 TJ within 8 years, two Yellow Tops and one Blue Top...
that was your problem right there, Jerry. Deep cycle batteries dont like to be used like normal starter batteries unless you have them set up as standalone batteries for your winch, welder, etc. deep cycle batteries like to be completely drained then completely charged. unlike starting batteries that only get used for a short burst of high amps to start the engine. thats the reason why your yellow and blue top batteries died a premature death.

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I'm a big boater, and boats need to handle the harshest conditions out there... trust me on this... go with the diehard platinum.
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that was your problem right there, Jerry. Deep cycle batteries dont like to be used like normal starter batteries unless you have them set up as standalone batteries for your winch, welder, etc. deep cycle batteries like to be completely drained then completely charged. unlike starting batteries that only get used for a short burst of high amps to start the engine. thats the reason why your yellow and blue top batteries died a premature death.
While your comments are interesting, they don't match the Optima advertising for the Yellow Top:

http://www.optimabatteries.com/optim...wtop/index.php

The YellowTop® high-performance AGM battery is one of the only true dual-purpose automotive batteries available. With premium cranking power and unparalleled cycling capability (rechargeability), it is perfect for modern accessory-loaded vehicles. The YellowTop can repeatedly bounce back from deep power drains to full energy capacity, so it can power plenty of electronics and still start you up time after time. Lower internal resistance also provides more consistent power output and faster recharges.

Trucks with winches, vehicles with multiple electronics, cars with high-demand audio systems, commercial vehicles and heavy equipment all rely on this battery to provide ultimate starting and deep cycle power.

http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f9/diy-alignment-kit-steps-w-pics-2264465/
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i remember reading the optima site a few years ago when i was looking for a good replacement battery and for a while i did drink the kool-aid. but since learning about how normal starting batteries and deep cycle batteries as well as lithium ion and lithium polymer batteries, among others, work and their operating temperature ranges ive learned that deep cycle batteries should not be used in place of starting batteries. they just dont perform well in that application. hybrid batteries are pretty interesting as well and are much higher voltage, but have no place under the hood of our Jeeps.

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i remember reading the optima site a few years ago when i was looking for a good replacement battery and for a while i did drink the kool-aid. but since learning about how normal starting batteries and deep cycle batteries as well as lithium ion and lithium polymer batteries, among others, work and their operating temperature ranges ive learned that deep cycle batteries should not be used in place of starting batteries. they just dont perform well in that application. hybrid batteries are pretty interesting as well and are much higher voltage, but have no place under the hood of our Jeeps.
Really?
I've had the same 2 Yellow Top batteries under the hood of my 2000 Sport for going on 6 years and they're doing just fine here in Colorado...
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Really?
I've had the same 2 Yellow Top batteries under the hood of my 2000 Sport for going on 6 years and they're doing just fine here in Colorado...
interesting, my buddy has been through 5 red tops in the past 2-3 years...in Colorado.


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Just look for an AGM battery that isn't manufactured by Johnson Controls. Napa or Sears should be able to provide you with that.


We've never had a problem with any of our Red Top Optima's in the past, but I am not sure I'll buy them in the future. Leaning toward trying a Diehard Platinum next time.
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interesting, my buddy has been through 5 red tops in the past 2-3 years...in Colorado.
I may have got mine when they still made a quality product?...
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