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Unread 10-20-2005, 08:31 AM   #1
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Moaning when turning steering wheel?!

My TJ has always done this when it gets cold..now since it's getting cold again, it's doing it again, and loudly. Whenever I turn the steering wheel, I get this low moaning noise, like a dog crying or something. I lubed up the steering shaft and the bushing that holds it right after that u-joint and that's not where the noise is coming from. It appears to be coming from someplace in the column, like right behind the wheel. There's no adverse effects other than that noise, but it's annoying me. I'm tempted just to shoot some white lithium back there and see what happens. I'm not sure how to take the column apart either to get at the internals..

anyone else ever heard of this happening before?

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Unread 10-20-2005, 08:35 AM   #2
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Can you hear the noise when you turn the wheel with the engine off?
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Unread 10-20-2005, 08:58 AM   #3
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I haven't tried that as it's almost impossible to do w/o power steering. I believe I would though..
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I haven't tried that as it's almost impossible to do w/o power steering. I believe I would though..

Lift the front wheels in the air.
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Check you power steering fluid. My steering box has a slow leak & I hear this kinda noise when the fliud is low while turning the wheel.
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Unread 10-20-2005, 09:28 AM   #6
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The reason is to eliminate your power steering pump and box.
If you don't get the noise, it's your power steering. I have driven vehicles with the same noise. The fluid is low or the pump is going south.
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Unread 10-20-2005, 09:40 AM   #7
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This may seem over simplified but is worth a shot, i've had a similar problem. Make sure you've checked the level of your power steering fluid, as it contracts in the cold and can seem as if you're low. I had a moaning problem and added fluid and it was gone after i topped off.
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Unread 10-20-2005, 09:41 AM   #8
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check the rubber seal at the firewall, mine squeaks when it's cold.
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Unread 10-20-2005, 10:00 AM   #9
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If your power steering is moaning when the ambient temp is COLD, then i would assume it's probably your pump that is doing the moaning. I would also assume that it's the fluid thatís too thick... and the pump is struggling. The noise is probably the pressure relief valve that is opening. Does it sound like when you turn the steering wheel all the way and push agains the steering stops?

I would flush the fluid and replace it. Not sure what year is your Jeep but for the later model you can replace it with ATF+4. I thing all new Jeeps come with ATF+$ from the factory to address the moaning issue during cold weather. I think a TSB was issued...
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Unread 10-20-2005, 11:30 AM   #10
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Just a shot here, but I'm pretty sure what he is describing is NOT the PS pump.

mine does the exact same thing, and the sound comes from right behind the wheel, (not the engine compartement) and is a rubbing, non-mechanical sound.

I think it is just one of the rubber seals, as it ONLY happens when its cold, and after a turn or two, and a little heat, it stops completely.

I haven't had my top on in a few years, and it definately happens first thing in the morning when it's colder out... in the summer, nothing.

Annoying... but not a problem, so I think I'll just turn the stereo up more.

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You can squirt lube of your choice down into the firewall area from the steering wheel side, this will fix the moaning.
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Mine has the same noise you described. It's been there since I bought the Jeep new. I haven't figured it out yet. Keep us posted if you come up with anything.
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I don't think it's the pump either. When I hit the steering lock I hear a "psshhh" noise until I release pressure. This is the valve I guess you are talking about. My fluid level is fine, i checked that first. I know what you are saying by raising the wheels off the ground, I'm just saying when I put my ear to the steering column it's louder there than with my head in the engine compartment (with someone else turning the wheel). For a time that little cup/seal thingy that snaps into the firewall was disconnected, and I noticed the noise got a lost more worse/frequent when I snapped it back into how it needed to be. I'm not sure what kinda lube to use on this. WD-40 isn't much of a lube and white lithum will chunk up in the cold, so I might drip some gun oil down there. It's tenacious but watery at the same time it might do the job. I honestly really don't think i'ts the pump. I wanted to know if there was a grommet or something in the column that would cause this noise. I've also heard the term "clockspring" to describe this noise..although I had something like this happen in my vw. I mixed Redline grease with acetone (semi-dissolves it), and squirted it with a syringe and needle behind the wheel and let it drip down the shaft and the acetone evaporated. The noise went away without me having to pay for costly repairs. I haven't tried it yet on the jeep because I figured there was something I was missing. I guess I"ll just lube the hell out of everything I cna get at, but yeah, I really think it's coming from behind the plastic housing of teh column.
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mine does the same thing. It seems like it is just something rubber going against something plastic. Mine goes away once im out of my neighborhood.... so its not a big deal for me.
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My TJ has always done this when it gets cold..now since it's getting cold again, it's doing it again, and loudly. Whenever I turn the steering wheel, I get this low moaning noise, like a dog crying or something. I lubed up the steering shaft and the bushing that holds it right after that u-joint and that's not where the noise is coming from. It appears to be coming from someplace in the column, like right behind the wheel. There's no adverse effects other than that noise, but it's annoying me. I'm tempted just to shoot some white lithium back there and see what happens. I'm not sure how to take the column apart either to get at the internals..

anyone else ever heard of this happening before?
yeah my wheel does it when it gets cold too its just the rubber rubbing
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