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Unread 09-06-2009, 02:58 AM   #1
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low lift, long shocks, and DIY shock shifters... what's the advantage?

finally got some more decent pics so I'll shed some light on the subject.


running 10" long travel shocks on 2.5" lifts poses an uptravel problem in the rear, they tend to leave about 2.75"-3.25" before the shocks bottom out, which can lead to mount, shock, bushing, and bar pin damage. there's a couple different threads with arguments on whether or not 2.75-3.25" of uptravel is enough. it's not for me, or especially a daily driver.

I've made several pairs and even sent off a few mounts to other forum members to run. I've yet to see any of em installed tho.

here's a couple different relocation brackets I made and installed on Saturday and the process involved... dbbd1's tj and cb3's LJ.

all that's needed to make these is a grinder and a 12" piece of 2x3" 3/16" tube steel... then weld em on, I'm still working on some bolt on's but it's kinda a PITA, I prefer to burn em anyhow.

I have a couple different patterns, high clearance, which I use for fully out board shocks, and longer mounts that accommodate the long shocks in the stock upper mounts and give about 1.5" in additional travel which improves the ride quality and they also seem more stable.



mark em..



use a 4" cutoff wheel in the grinder and cut em out.




form the radius if ya don't have a torch to use.





this version gets the center pushed in for more welding surface on the axle.




punch and drill a 5/8" hole.




a 1 ton Chevy front shock mount works great to mount the shock, I actually prefer a 3.25" long grade 8 fine threaded bolt...



the other version.



mount em parallel to the shock on the axle, which is generally 4" from the control arm bolt.




burn em on....




so..... what did we accomplish here with a 2.5" lift and 24.25" long extended, 14.25" collapsed shocks?

it's self explanatory if you can read a tape! they are measured at ride height... ya, no joke this is the advantage.. went from 2.75" uptravel to 4 5/8" without loosing any downtravel....

stock mounts...



DIY lower shock shifters...





I have the mounts on CAD now and have them made as needed!




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Unread 09-06-2009, 03:18 AM   #2
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I ended up just shifting the lower mounts outboard, since I couldn't really improve the uptravel much cb3's OME N67 standard shocks... 22.5" extended and 13.5" collapsed.

just used the stock mount I cut off and welded it to a plate that got welded to the control arm brackets..









no more spring bucket, exhaust or tank rubbing...


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Unread 09-06-2009, 06:00 AM   #3
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I really should do this to solve my bottoming out issue. My room mate recently informed me that following behind my Jeep hitting a bump that it would visibly bounce left and right.

How much does a piece of steel for this project costs? Is it some thing that can be found at a place like Home Depot?

I am considering paying $120 for AEV's version since it includes the upper mounts. I worry about not taking care of the upper at the same time would over load the upper bushings from being twisted.
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I really should do this to solve my bottoming out issue. My room mate recently informed me that following behind my Jeep hitting a bump that it would visibly bounce left and right.

How much does a piece of steel for this project costs? Is it some thing that can be found at a place like Home Depot?

I am considering paying $120 for AEV's version since it includes the upper mounts. I worry about not taking care of the upper at the same time would over load the upper bushings from being twisted.
the last 2"x3" chunk I bought for a pair of mounts was 10 bucks
and I got 3 pairs out of it. not sure about what home depot has, I just goto a steel yard and buy cutoffs for scap price.

there hasn't been any issues with upper bushings yet. portlandcj has the first set I did, and has done alot of wheeling since..

the only concern I have about the nth/AEV shock shifters, I realized yesterday, is the upper mounts get moved forward, and the bracket prolly takes up some or all of the distance gained by moving the lower mounts out and down. I've put a couple sets of nth ss's on, but never measured em.

someone else that has relocated shocks is frome using clayton brackets, which are about the same as the ones I made for cb3 with part of the stock mount, I don't think his gained any uptravel by extending the shock, he just swung the shock over and welded em, but he'd be a good one to ask about the bushings since he's had em on there a long while..

I'll toy with some upper brackets to see what I can come up with... I could cut a set out for you alexia, I won't sell em to ya but the shipping is prolly around 16 bucks + the hardware, It was about that for a set i sent andrew383, you've done alot of interesting things with your LJ. PM me if you're interested.
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Unread 09-06-2009, 07:57 AM   #5
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Subscribed. Nice work. Looks like a good winter project for me.
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I like the idea.

The first ones hang a bit low for me, but that is part of the tradeoff. The CA mount should help protect them...

The second one is possibly the cheapest mod with real benefit I have seen.

I ran the AEV SS for a while. In all honesty, I did not like them. Option 1 here looks like it solves quite a bit of the problem they are trying to address. That and you need to weld in the same basic area. I did run into issues with the lower shock mount.

These options look to me to be the best way to solve this problem short of out-boarding the shocks. Which is what I will do to solve my little travel and shock problem.

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I like the idea.

The first ones hang a bit low for me, but that is part of the tradeoff. The CA mount should help protect them...
yep, it's about level with the bottom of the ca brackets.

I'm thinkin i'll put a skid on the bottom of it for dbbd1... he's got a savvy skid under there that's hamered just short of dented! lol...


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The second one is possibly the cheapest mod with real benefit I have seen.
that one took me longer to clean the crap off the metal in the blast cabinet than it took to engineer...
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Great job, thanks! You could get me the brackets and I could send them to Alexia via UPS for you.
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yep, it's about level with the bottom of the ca brackets.

I'm thinkin i'll put a skid on the bottom of it for dbbd1... he's got a savvy skid under there that's hamered just short of dented! lol...
I do work my little Jeep kind of hard for how it is built right now.
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These options look to me to be the best way to solve this problem short of out-boarding the shocks. Which is what I will do to solve my little travel and shock problem.

Good work
uh huh...

that's 34" of shock stuffed in under 2.5" of lift and has 6" uptravel at ride height...






that was a late saturday project I started, the big welder was out of gas, so I did it anyway with the 110 wire feed and innersheild wire lol... we were at browns camp early the next morning..
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Thanks Mudb8

It took some of the stiffness out the ride too, thanks for the hard word and idea.


Thanks Mudb8 (and Rob's Offroad)!!!
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how did i miss this. nice work mudb8
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It took some of the stiffness out the ride too, thanks for the hard word and idea.


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I really need something like that. I go to the dunes a lot and and constantly bottoming out. I was looking at doing it the way you did it on your Jeep and kits were way overpriced and I have no way to fab anything up.
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i really like the second shock mod. looks like the best way to improve with only an hour or so of work.
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