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post #211 of 366 Old 09-26-2013, 02:31 PM
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This is why I reccomend going fully out board. As far as I'm concerned, moving only the lower mount is a band aid, the shock works awkwardly, and at a pretty bad angle IMO.
Based on my experience, the angle is minimal and the shocks work great in this position.

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Yeah, I'm not particularly interested in just moving the lowers out and leaving the uppers where they are. More curious if anyone noticed that one side seems to restrict movement more than the other side. I would think the factory upper mounts should be symmetric and behave the same, but on my jeep it appears that they aren't??
Never noticed what you are describing.

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post #212 of 366 Old 09-26-2013, 02:47 PM
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It is likely that mrblaine would use a length that is very close to being balanced on the 4". That said, they could be a length recommended for shorter lift by the manufacturer...
When we start messing with high clearance skids, downtravel will often be compromised by a binding cv joint. For example a rokmen with a factory tranny mount, 1" mml and 3" lift springs can bind with 8.5" travel rear shocks. Close to 4" max downtravel from ride height.
Savvy, fox, and bds all carry the same p/n, which is advertised from 4-6" lift. But bds says it will work for the 3"+. I believe savvy's valving is different, although I'm not positive. I might try it and see. I've also seen where people are running the fox shocks with the savvy 3" lift, but I don't really have the time to weed through 75+ pages to see everyone's setup. Most seem to run the ranchos anyways. I was going to have savvy do Wayne's valving from what I've seen recommended. If I can find out if fox's bar pin can be removed, I'll flip the shocks can down and run the Tera top mount and gain that extra inch I need. I guess I still have some more searching to do.

Edit: seems I was wrong about the p/n, they all carry a different number. I'm not getting them from anyone but savvy, so if anyone knows the ext and collapsed length for the ones that use stock mounting points

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Savvy, fox, and bds all carry the same p/n, which is advertised from 4-6" lift. But bds says it will work for the 3"+. I believe savvy's valving is different, although I'm not positive. I might try it and see. I've also seen where people are running the fox shocks with the savvy 3" lift, but I don't really have the time to weed through 75+ pages to see everyone's setup. Most seem to run the ranchos anyways. I was going to have savvy do Wayne's valving from what I've seen recommended. If I can find out if fox's bar pin can be removed, I'll flip the shocks can down and run the Tera top mount and gain that extra inch I need. I guess I still have some more searching to do.

Edit: seems I was wrong about the p/n, they all carry a different number. I'm not getting them from anyone but savvy, so if anyone knows the ext and collapsed length for the ones that use stock mounting points

Bds are :

98224965

14.81

24.90

98224980

14.67

22.95
I'll do some digging for you. A friend has the shocks you're asking about.

BDS has issues with too long of shocks with the fox's they offer.
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post #214 of 366 Old 09-26-2013, 04:24 PM
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You know, I still plan to outboard, but have people tried moving the upper and lower mounts around? Check out my setup: Super 88, 4" back spacing, 12" shocks. I don't have any interference or binding at bump or droop. I can't have a unique enough setup to be the only one that doesn't NEED to outboard. Yes the upper is only single shear, but that was only supposed to be temporary. Hmmm.
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You know, I still plan to outboard, but have people tried moving the upper and lower mounts around? Check out my setup: Super 88, 4" back spacing, 12" shocks. I don't have any interference or binding at bump or droop. I can't have a unique enough setup to be the only one that doesn't NEED to outboard. Yes the upper is only single shear, but that was only supposed to be temporary. Hmmm.
How have your shocks not gotten ripped off your axle?

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How have your shocks not gotten ripped off your axle?
Ripped off from what?

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From the terrain, those look like thin metal, unpainted, and not reinforced in any way ......
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My rear upper mounts are only 1/4" tabs. They were only supposed to be temporary, but it's been at least a year since I moved the shocks outside of the frame. I am waiting on my final placement of my rear axle, rear upper spring buckets, rear link length, and rear link mounts. When I get all that figured out, I will outboard... Maybe.

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So here's a question to you concerning moving the lower shock mounts outward. Last time I had the lower bolts pulled out of my rear shocks, I was positioning the bottom around in different places to see what worked. It felt as though the shocks upper bushings resisted having the lower ends moved outward. One side, can't remember which, seemed to really be stretching the upper bushing to get the lower end back behind the control arm mount. This was with the upper connections in the OEM mounts. Curious if you or anyone has noticed if one side seems to be easier to deflect the lower mount outward? Kind of wondering if my jeep is special and maybe something is up with my upper mounts.
Used shocks with polly bushings will do that. New bushings will hang the shocks outboard of the mounts...

Stock with molded rubber....
Left


Right


You can see they are straight..


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You know, I still plan to outboard, but have people tried moving the upper and lower mounts around? Check out my setup: Super 88, 4" back spacing, 12" shocks. I don't have any interference or binding at bump or droop. I can't have a unique enough setup to be the only one that doesn't NEED to outboard. Yes the upper is only single shear, but that was only supposed to be temporary. Hmmm.
What size tires and rims?

I have 315-75-16 on rubi rims and 1.25 spacers and have wondered about running them to the outside with out cutting frame...
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What size tires and rims? I have 315-75-16 on rubi rims and 1.25 spacers and have wondered about running them to the outside with out cutting frame...
I have 15x10" rims, 37x12.50x15 old style MT/Rs.

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Man, looking at mine I am still around 4 inches back spacing and essentially have the same tire width as you.

It would be tight but the body of a shock might fit. I run a 10 inch shock now with the teraflex uppers no prob but I could really use a 11-12 shock with my lift.
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What size tires and rims?

I have 315-75-16 on rubi rims and 1.25 spacers and have wondered about running them to the outside with out cutting frame...
I used to run 34x12.5 16's on rubi moabs without spacers. The tires rubed both sides under articulation with the shocks in the frame.


I want your factory 07-up take-off/thrown out JK front/rear Lower Control Arms! Bent ones are perfect also as long as the bushings and cold cut rings are in good shape/useable


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Used shocks with polly bushings will do that. New bushings will hang the shocks outboard of the mounts...

Stock with molded rubber....
Left

Right

You can see they are straight..
Hmm, yep I see that those are symmetric. Thanks. Mine are the white Rancho 9000x, almost 10 years old. So you think the upper bushings took a set, and that's why they deflect differently between the sides?
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Misfit has his shock bodies low on the sidewall, the brackets only have to be strong enough to overcome the forces of the valving. They arent likely gonna tear off unless a bumpstop fails to do its job.
Look at the diameter of re sway bar links, youd want to think they'd bend or buckle

I want your factory 07-up take-off/thrown out JK front/rear Lower Control Arms! Bent ones are perfect also as long as the bushings and cold cut rings are in good shape/useable


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