Locker solution for flat-land mud (and only mud!) on a farm? - JeepForum.com
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
post #1 of 36 Old 10-25-2010, 03:47 PM Thread Starter
FarmerinVA
Registered User
1999 TJ Wrangler 
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Tappahannock
Posts: 612
Locker solution for flat-land mud (and only mud!) on a farm?

I know lockers has been done to death here but I have a question that I can't find discussed.

What's the best locker and placement for this situation:
  • All wheeling all the time -- never sees pavement of any kind (miles from nearest pavement). Does drive firm-surface dirt or gravel roads a lot, though.
  • My challenge is mud. Only mud. But bad mud, the kind of loamy clay that traps tractors and my previous Cherokees (no lockers). This is flat Virginia land (Chesapeake bay area) with no rocks and no hills. Most of the land would be marsh if it ever stop being farmed.
  • I do occasionally go on logging roads. Still flat land, but involves some stump jumping and rolling over downed trees.
  • Tows some 2000-3000lb trailers and boats.
  • Almost all the driving is slow-speed.
  • I run 31x10.5r15 BFG MTs on an otherwise stock vehicle.
  • I'd prefer a lunchbox locker for reasons of cost and DIY but if not, I want something that's ultra reliable. The ARB air system makes me nervous.

Is an Aussie or PowerTrax No-Slip the ticket? Front or rear better? Yes, I have a D35 rear, but am I right that it won't break because of the small tires, I won't be hard on the gas or hopping rocks, and I will be unlikely to put a wheel in the air (except maybe on the logging roads)?

I know most of you are mountain- and rock-killing bad boys, and I've read the solutions for that. But I recently bought this TJ (my first!) to run as a working vehicle on a farm. I'm hoping you can tell me what's best for a mud-only flat-land machine.

EDIT on 2011/07/18:

The first two posts here, by Jerry and Flatlander757, are exactly right. Thanks! I ended up installing a lunchbox locker in the front and a TrueTrac in the rear, and I couldn't be happier. Check out my install thread for how-to's, why's, performance reviews, and about 80 photos.
http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f9/ex...hafts-1234745/

FarmerinVA is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 36 Old 10-25-2010, 03:50 PM
Jerry Bransford
Administrator
 
Jerry Bransford's Avatar
2004 TJ Wrangler 
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Escondido, California
Posts: 64,341
Rather than go with a locker, I'd go for a Detroit Truetrac limited slip differential in the rear instead. Your Dana 35c will survive nicely on it and limited slip differentials work extremely well on flat slippery terrain. Lockers are more for when the terrain is so uneven that tires are up in the air.

And a big welcome to JF FarmerinVA!

Getting Savvy...

When you have a choice, buy American.
Jerry Bransford is offline  
post #3 of 36 Old 10-25-2010, 05:38 PM
flatlander757
Registered User
2003 TJ Wrangler 
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Dayton
Posts: 5,417
Quote:
Originally Posted by FarmerinVA View Post
I know lockers has been done to death here but I have a question that I can't find discussed.

What's the best locker and placement for this situation:
  • All wheeling all the time -- never sees pavement of any kind (miles from nearest pavement). Does drive firm-surface dirt or gravel roads a lot, though.
  • My challenge is mud. Only mud. But bad mud, the kind of loamy clay that traps tractors and my previous Cherokees (no lockers). This is flat Virginia land (Chesapeake bay area) with no rocks and no hills. Most of the land would be marsh if it ever stop being farmed.
  • I do occasionally go on logging roads. Still flat land, but involves some stump jumping and rolling over downed trees.
  • Tows some 2000-3000lb trailers and boats.
  • Almost all the driving is slow-speed.
  • I run 31x10.5r15 BFG MTs on an otherwise stock vehicle.
  • I'd prefer a lunchbox locker for reasons of cost and DIY but if not, I want something that's ultra reliable. The ARB air system makes me nervous.

Is an Aussie or PowerTrax No-Slip the ticket? Front or rear better? Yes, I have a D35 rear, but am I right that it won't break because of the small tires, I won't be hard on the gas or hopping rocks, and I will be unlikely to put a wheel in the air (except maybe on the logging roads)?

I know most of you are mountain- and rock-killing bad boys, and I've read the solutions for that. But I recently bought this TJ (my first!) to run as a working vehicle on a farm. I'm hoping you can tell me what's best for a mud-only flat-land machine.

By the way, a TJ with a trailer beats the heck out of a pickup for EVERYTHING!
I'd honestly do a locker up front first... mainly because you can steer your wheels in hopes to gain traction as you slow down or close to getting stuck. Also because you have the D35 rear.

A limited slip in the rear wouldn't be a bad idea, though I wouldn't put one in a D35. As Jerry said, it would at least be easier on the D35 than a full on locker would though... and a limited slip should have no problem spinning both tires in mud in most cases.

SOLDThe lumbering steel-laden pig - 2003 TJ - 40" LTBs - D60/D70HD - 5.86s - Detroit lockers - 110" wheelbase
Build thread here.

Quote:
Originally Posted by 2006 Sport
Being able to make vroom vroom noises in Tonys Jeep was the highlight of my life.
Currently Jeepless.
flatlander757 is offline  
post #4 of 36 Old 10-25-2010, 05:42 PM
underpowered
Bouncin' on a Budget
 
underpowered's Avatar
1998 ZJ 
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: northern kentucky
Posts: 3,036
for what you describe, i would say a lincoln locker. if the hardest surface it will see is dirt and gravel, no pavement ever, weld it IMO. some say the D35 will not last, but the stock D35 in my ZJ has been welded for 4 years now and no issues, but have broken Two shafts on an Open 30 up front.

1998 ZJ-- lowered a touch

2005 GMC 2500HD 496 C.I.

Fat Amy-1989 K5 blazer. Linked, lifted, 38.5's on won tons. Big Girls can play in the woods too.
underpowered is offline  
post #5 of 36 Old 10-25-2010, 05:51 PM
Imped
Web Wheeler
 
Imped's Avatar
2004 TJ Wrangler 
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Indianapolis
Posts: 20,287
Just weld it up. If it never sees road, there's no reason not to run welded spiders and some Swampers.

OlllllllO
Float Test Build
IndyORV
Imped is offline  
post #6 of 36 Old 10-25-2010, 05:52 PM
g4x4xgeoff
Registered User
1994 YJ Wrangler 
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Rhode Island
Posts: 1,611
lincoln locker

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hurley91 View Post
I could be drunk, high, raped and almost dead.... and I could still recognize it.

http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/groups/ri-jeeps/

g4x4xgeoff is offline  
post #7 of 36 Old 10-25-2010, 05:53 PM
wushaw
Rockin jeep
 
wushaw's Avatar
2000 TJ Wrangler 
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Texas
Posts: 8,165
If your only using it on the farm then the cheapest thing to do is weld the spiders together and you would have full time locker for the price of wire/rod, rtv, & diff fluid.

You beat me to it Imped....
wushaw is offline  
post #8 of 36 Old 10-25-2010, 05:56 PM
EugeneTheTJ
Tar Heel
 
EugeneTheTJ's Avatar
2003 TJ Wrangler 
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: North Carolina
Posts: 7,267
EugeneTheTJ is offline  
post #9 of 36 Old 10-25-2010, 06:06 PM
rjbruzan
Moderator
2004 TJ Wrangler 
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Lake in the Hills
Posts: 2,506
I also like the Truetrac But have no problem with a welded locker in the rear. A lunch box locker in the back is very very annoying. The ONLY place its good is offroad and thats debateable. The truetrac is 99.9 percent invisable. Great traction and long lasting.
rjbruzan is offline  
post #10 of 36 Old 10-25-2010, 07:27 PM Thread Starter
FarmerinVA
Registered User
1999 TJ Wrangler 
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Tappahannock
Posts: 612
Wow, welding it never occurred to me. I have to admit that destroying part of the machine alarms me but then again, I like simple, and that is as simple as it gets.

Sounds like it's between a welded or limited slip rear and an auto-locked front. Also sounds like a good plan is lock the front first, then if that doesn't entirely beat the mud, decide between Truetrac or welding the rear later. Excellent.

But please keep the comments coming if anyone else wants to give me advice. Like the man said, I'm a newbie and not afraid to admit it.

To respond to why not swampers, guys down here are unanimous that one should avoid softer tires like the swampers because they keep puncturing their swampers on the small, sharp logging stumps and agricultural stubble. All the farm guys swear by the BFG MTs or the MTR Kevlar, and the MTR is more expensive. I can say already that the MT-KM2 has no problem with punctures in those conditions.

Last edited by FarmerinVA; 10-25-2010 at 07:42 PM. Reason: forgot the limited slip part
FarmerinVA is offline  
post #11 of 36 Old 10-25-2010, 07:34 PM
flatlander757
Registered User
2003 TJ Wrangler 
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Dayton
Posts: 5,417
Quote:
Originally Posted by FarmerinVA View Post
Wow, welding it never occurred to me. I have to admit that destroying part of the machine alarms me but then again, I like simple, and that is as simple as it gets.

Sounds like it's between a welded rear and an auto-locked front. Also sounds like a good plan is lock the front first, then if that doesn't entirely beat the mud, weld the rear later for essentially zero additional cost. Excellent.

But please keep the comments coming if anyone else wants to give me advice. Like the man said, I'm a newbie and not afraid to admit it.

To respond to why not swampers, guys down here said to avoid softer tires like the swampers because they keep puncturing their swampers on the small, sharp logging stumps and agricultural stubble. All the farm guys swear by the BFG MTs or the MTR Kevlar, and the MTR is more expensive. I can say already that the MT-KM2 has no problem with punctures in those conditions.
Get some BIAS PLY swampers and they will be much much tougher than any MTR or BFG MT.

TSL SX tires have some of the thickest sidewalls... not too many of them have been ripped open.

SOLDThe lumbering steel-laden pig - 2003 TJ - 40" LTBs - D60/D70HD - 5.86s - Detroit lockers - 110" wheelbase
Build thread here.

Quote:
Originally Posted by 2006 Sport
Being able to make vroom vroom noises in Tonys Jeep was the highlight of my life.
Currently Jeepless.
flatlander757 is offline  
post #12 of 36 Old 10-25-2010, 07:34 PM
wushaw
Rockin jeep
 
wushaw's Avatar
2000 TJ Wrangler 
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Texas
Posts: 8,165
Well your not really destroying anything that can't be replaced at the cost of spider gears and maybe a carrier. But for what the jeeps intended purpose is going to be then it is a simple/cheap working solution.
wushaw is offline  
post #13 of 36 Old 10-25-2010, 07:44 PM
RogueSpear2023
Registered User
2003 TJ Wrangler 
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Jamestown, ND
Posts: 6,951
If your going to weld the rear carry an extra set of rear shafts, it would suck to get stranded with a busted shaft in the middle of no where. I agree a set of bias ply mudders are your best beat for mud, it's pretty tough to rip the side wall open on a good set of bias ply tires.

Max

2003 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon
4.0L, 42RLE, Dual Tops, Full Doors, JKS Front Disconnects, Cragar Soft 8 Black Wheels, 33x12.5x15 Goodyear Duratracs, .75" Front Coil Spacers, Bushwacker 6" Flat Fender Flares, Skid Row Steering Box Skid, LubeLockers, Rubicon Locker Mod, OBA, Cobra 19 Ultra III CB, 3' Firestik, Rough Country 2.2 Steering Stabilizer, RC 1.25" BL, RC 1" MML, RC Grab Handles, Fog Lamp Bent Pin Mod, 4" Apline S Series Speakers, Kenwood Excelon 6.5" Speakers, 6.5" JL Audio 6W3V3 Subwoofer (in center console) w/MTX Thunder 202 amp, IPF H4 Headlight Housing, Sliverstar H4 bulbs.



TJ Tech Boot Camp
TJ Specs

"Buying a jeep and not taking it off road, is like buying a dragster and never taking it to the track"
RogueSpear2023 is offline  
post #14 of 36 Old 10-25-2010, 07:47 PM
Jerry Bransford
Administrator
 
Jerry Bransford's Avatar
2004 TJ Wrangler 
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Escondido, California
Posts: 64,341
You guys recommending welding the spiders to produce a Lincoln locker must have forgotten his rear axle is a Dana 35c. His Dana 35c wouldn't last long at all welded up like that.

Getting Savvy...

When you have a choice, buy American.
Jerry Bransford is offline  
post #15 of 36 Old 10-25-2010, 07:50 PM
ricko836
Registered User
1998 TJ Wrangler 
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Kersey
Posts: 196
I'll suggest a Aussie locker up front, it'll pull you threw things and it's cheap and cost effective.
ricko836 is offline  
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the JeepForum.com forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid e-mail address for yourself.



Email Address:
OR

Log-in









Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page



Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Jeep Forums Replies Last Post
Rugged Ridge Front Bumper Flat Tow Solution for JK Rubicon mrbodywork JK Wrangler Technical Forum 1 08-17-2010 03:05 PM
flat tow...what front locker??? damkiwi YJ Wrangler Technical Forum 11 05-10-2010 08:59 AM
Front locker and flat towing TJDaveX TJ Wrangler Technical Forum 2 04-15-2008 06:37 AM
97 TJ 4.0 tough start on flat land... myfirstjeep97 TJ Wrangler Technical Forum 6 11-05-2005 08:21 PM
flat tow with front locker YJinSD YJ Wrangler Technical Forum 6 03-19-2005 09:59 AM

Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome