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Unread 10-13-2011, 02:15 PM   #61
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over 3" of body lift is illegal in many states.
This I would love to see in writing, show me.

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How about this, if you had the Jeep Spirit, you wouldn't abuse the rest of us trying to enjoy a nice day out wheeling by bringing your brokeass broken down junkyard crap out to play where it can't handle it?
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Unread 10-13-2011, 02:17 PM   #62
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Man did this go off topic quick...but it has peaked my interest.
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Unread 10-13-2011, 02:19 PM   #63
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This I would love to see in writing, show me.
I have heard of it before in a few states; a quick google search turned up this:

http://www.4wheeloffroad.com/techart...w/viewall.html

which lists one or two states where over 3" body is illegal, others say 4 or 5.
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Unread 10-13-2011, 02:22 PM   #64
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This I would love to see in writing, show me.
One example is Michigan law.

"All lift blocks must be of single piece construction, and cannot exceed 4 inches in height between
the rear axle and springs, or 3 inches between the body and frame. Refer to section 257.710c(4) of the Michigan
Vehicle Code for a complete list."

Source: http://www.michigan.gov/documents/high_rise_vehicle_law_8580_7.pdf
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Unread 10-13-2011, 02:27 PM   #65
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That's like driving your Rubicon in JV, getting hung up on a rock, twisting the hell out of your t-case skid on a rock and taking it back to Jeep, saying "I got stuck and bent my skid, fix it under warranty".
Only that sucks way, way, way less.
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Unread 10-13-2011, 02:35 PM   #66
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This is almost out of place by this point in the conversation but I don't plan on going over 2-3" of lift so my total height doesn't get too high and I start hitting trees with my windshield frame and roll bars...
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Unread 10-13-2011, 03:22 PM   #67
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I have heard of it before in a few states; a quick google search turned up this:

http://www.4wheeloffroad.com/techart...w/viewall.html

which lists one or two states where over 3" body is illegal, others say 4 or 5.
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One example is Michigan law.

"All lift blocks must be of single piece construction, and cannot exceed 4 inches in height between
the rear axle and springs, or 3 inches between the body and frame. Refer to section 257.710c(4) of the Michigan
Vehicle Code for a complete list."

Source: http://www.michigan.gov/documents/high_rise_vehicle_law_8580_7.pdf
That was my bad, I read it as a 3 inch body lift, not over 3 inches.
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Unread 10-13-2011, 04:25 PM   #68
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I would rather go get hung up being low than roll-over from being too high.
All day long.

The factory skid is junk..get a good tummy tuck with engine skid and treat it like a pimp does a crack whore.
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Unread 10-13-2011, 04:32 PM   #69
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I'm going to assume this was directed at me since I' posted just that in this thread this AM. If that's not the case then what I say here still applies:

The only danger is if the shocks are bottoming out. If the suspension cycle's limiting factor is the bumpstops then it is performing normally. If your shocks are what is capping the upward travel then yes, you're going to blow out shock towers, the shock, and potentially much more.
no, wasn't directed specifically towards you, but you did make me go back and read what you posted

and no, the danger isn't only in bottoming out the shocks. track bar vs diff cover & tie-rod vs track bar is a big issue with LCG builds. In the rear gas tank vs diff cover and track bar vs bracket and bracket vs fuel lines are an issue.

Part of any suspension system build, including LCG, involves pushing your axle to full bump & full stuff to check to travel/clearance issues.

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It's all about getting our rig onto a ramp... a fork, or a dirt mound and testing it out... then getting it on some trails at low speeds and testing it out again.
no need. pull the springs and push the axle to full bump & full flex in your garage...adjust the bumpstop extensions as necessary. In front, the N66L's need 2" front bumpstop extension...and thats not limiting your flex, its just preventing you from bottoming out the shocks. Do the same for the rear
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Unread 10-13-2011, 04:39 PM   #70
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Cool read... thanx. I had heard of the Raptor issue. Given that they have maybe 3" of uptravel, I am not surprised they have some issues at serious speed.

I know exactly where that stretch is in the video and have traveled it many times. There is also a ton of that style of trail at JV that needs to be traversed before you even get to the rocks. Trust me that 2-3" of uptravel makes for a long crappy ride out there. I am plenty happy on my 4" suspension, 1.25" body, flat bottom and 6"/6" up/down shock travel.
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Unread 10-13-2011, 05:44 PM   #71
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Cool read... thanx. I had heard of the Raptor issue. Given that they have maybe 3" of uptravel, I am not surprised they have some issues at serious speed.

I know exactly where that stretch is in the video and have traveled it many times. There is also a ton of that style of trail at JV that needs to be traversed before you even get to the rocks. Trust me that 2-3" of uptravel makes for a long crappy ride out there. I am plenty happy on my 4" suspension, 1.25" body, flat bottom and 6"/6" up/down shock travel.
Yup,x2, very plush ride with 6"/6" up/ down travel and flat belly and 35's.
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Unread 10-13-2011, 06:01 PM   #72
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no need. pull the springs and push the axle to full bump & full flex in your garage...adjust the bumpstop extensions as necessary.
This is not true. Pulling the springs and flexing things out will get you close but there are still things unaccounted for like body and frame flex that you won't see in the garage.

The real test is the front and rear articulated in opposite directions, fully weighted.
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Unread 10-13-2011, 06:05 PM   #73
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This is not true. Pulling the springs and flexing things out will get you close but there are still things unaccounted for like body and frame flex that you won't see in the garage.

The real test is the front and rear articulated in opposite directions, fully weighted.
i agree. but if you haven't done the garage tests without the springs, you got no business fully articulating in opposite directions.
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Unread 10-13-2011, 06:55 PM   #74
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I am plenty happy on my 4" suspension, 1.25" body, flat bottom and 6"/6" up/down shock travel.
I'm very interested in those measurments as I am trying to build mine to acheive those same goals. Do you have a thread on how you did it and what parts you used? Thanks!
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Unread 10-13-2011, 06:59 PM   #75
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The real test is the front and rear articulated in opposite directions, fully weighted.
As seen here on a factory stock 2004 model. I believe I actually disconnected the front sway that day.



With that backspacing, on the 31' MTR.. the tires STILL rubbed a bit on the front of the shock tower in front of vehicle. Those tires also wear pretty fast and rubbed less after about 2 years or 10,000 miles.

So there is the model to start from.
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