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Unread 07-23-2014, 01:52 PM   #946
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Double adjustable would be super convenient and they just looks better.
Convenient for what exactly? How much are you really going to be changing the length of your control arms?

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I wish the aluminum arms were available when I ordered mine. I would have paid an extra $200 in a heartbeat.
Honestly I want as much strength in a control arm as possible. Think about landing on rocks. Are the aluminums just as strong?
Only thing I could see would be loss of weight but is the weight difference that much of a difference? Also wouldn't loss of weight bellow your frame make your rig more top heavy increasing your chances of roll over?

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Unread 07-23-2014, 02:40 PM   #947
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Convenient for what exactly? How much are you really going to be changing the length of your control arms?

Honestly I want as much strength in a control arm as possible. Think about landing on rocks. Are the aluminums just as strong?
Only thing I could see would be loss of weight but is the weight difference that much of a difference? Also wouldn't loss of weight bellow your frame make your rig more top heavy increasing your chances of roll over?

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From what I've read they're not actually that much lighter if at all... aluminum threads strip easier... and the only plus is that they can take a "harder" hit but will likely break before they bend. I'm not gonna try and explain the aluminum vs. Steel argument because it's been done before many times... and very well by mr. blaine. For the most part we will never be able to abuse either to the point of failure. It's more about convenience than strength... and the other day until I figured out the ratchet strap method I was wishing for double adjustables
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Unread 07-23-2014, 03:28 PM   #948
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Convenient for what exactly? How much are you really going to be changing the length of your control arms?


Honestly I want as much strength in a control arm as possible. Think about landing on rocks. Are the aluminums just as strong?
Only thing I could see would be loss of weight but is the weight difference that much of a difference? Also wouldn't loss of weight bellow your frame make your rig more top heavy increasing your chances of roll over?

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I have already adjusted 6 out of 8 arms a number of times which is kind of a pain. It doesn't take too long but it would be nice to not have to disconnect everything. I have them set pretty good now but I might adjust them to fine tune some things.
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Unread 07-23-2014, 03:41 PM   #949
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Convenient for what exactly? How much are you really going to be changing the length of your control arms?

Honestly I want as much strength in a control arm as possible. Think about landing on rocks. Are the aluminums just as strong?
Only thing I could see would be loss of weight but is the weight difference that much of a difference? Also wouldn't loss of weight bellow your frame make your rig more top heavy increasing your chances of roll over?

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how "much" or how "often"? with a high clearance tummy tuck like yours you're going to be adjusting them "much" steeper than stock, and if they are adjustable they are much easier to adjust when setting everything correctly.......
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Convenient for what exactly? How much are you really going to be changing the length of your control arms?

Aside from being ever so slightly easier to adjust, they make initial installation a breeze--adjust the arm to fit the axle instead of vice versa and slide the bolt through. Once bolted up, fine tune lengths. Go spend a weekend doing a couple full installs and you'll learn to appreciate RH/LH threaded arms.
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Unread 07-23-2014, 06:19 PM   #951
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I thought I'd add that I towed my trailer some distance on Sunday. The trailer is about 1100#s and it towed great at 70 mph as well as on some dirt roads. Again, the added tightness and improved ride is nice.

I believe that Metalcloak's web site says that the aluminum arms are slightly heavier.
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Unread 07-23-2014, 06:22 PM   #952
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how "much" or how "often"? with a high clearance tummy tuck like yours you're going to be adjusting them "much" steeper than stock, and if they are adjustable they are much easier to adjust when setting everything correctly.......
How often, sorry for the confision. Mine wasn't bad at all. Got the axle centered on bump stops, then squared them, and then set the pinion angle. I just never tightened anything down until then end. One shot was all it took for me.

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Aside from being ever so slightly easier to adjust, they make initial installation a breeze--adjust the arm to fit the axle instead of vice versa and slide the bolt through. Once bolted up, fine tune lengths. Go spend a weekend doing a couple full installs and you'll learn to appreciate RH/LH threaded arms.
If you are doing multiple I can definitely see the double adjustable being much better and more time efficient. For the regular joe working on his personal rig I don't see it being worth the added cost. Yes, quicker and easier install, but if you know what you're doing it isn't a big deal. Also, proper tools make the job even easier.


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Agreed. The only way it is worth more $$$ is if you are constantly doing installs/changes. For the average Jeeper it is not money well spent.
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Unread 07-24-2014, 10:00 PM   #954
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Agreed. The only way it is worth more $$$ is if you are constantly doing installs/changes. For the average Jeeper it is not money well spent.
And I'm sure others share a different opinion. I don't disagree with you but I can appreciate both points of view since I have plenty of experience with RH/LH arms and those with one end barrel welded.
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Unread 07-24-2014, 11:18 PM   #955
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Honestly I want as much strength in a control arm as possible.
Then use 1/4 inch chromoly tube, and internally sleeve it with 7075 solid rod. IT won't go anywhere.
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I look at it from three different views:
1. ease of installation
2. ease of modification (fine tuning)
3. compatibility with future changes. I can change the arms and keep the joints in the future if/when I go to a four link system, mid-arm, or pretty much any other setup.
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Unread 07-25-2014, 07:59 AM   #957
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I believe that Metalcloak's web site says that the aluminum arms are slightly heavier.
oh boy...that is really going to bend some minds around here. Definitely gonna add some more fuel to the aluminum/steel debate....

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If you are doing multiple I can definitely see the double adjustable being much better and more time efficient. For the regular joe working on his personal rig I don't see it being worth the added cost. Yes, quicker and easier install, but if you know what you're doing it isn't a big deal. Also, proper tools make the job even easier.


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Agreed. Even though I snagged a set of used double adjustable lowers I don't see myself actually utilizing them to their potential - at least not enough that I would appreciate them for the extra upmark in cost (if bought new....)


But if ya got the extra scratch and want to go nuts then double adjustables certainly aren't the worst thing an average joe could spend his money on
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Unread 07-25-2014, 09:16 AM   #958
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In my case, the solid aluminum arms of the same length are slightly lighter than the 2" x .25" wall DOM arms I built initially. But I clearly didn't switch them out for strength or weight....I did it because I like aluminum, they're unique, and they don't require any touchups.
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Unread 07-25-2014, 11:51 AM   #959
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I believe that Metalcloak's web site says that the aluminum arms are slightly heavier.
Only one set is heavier. Upper rear I believe.

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I did it because I like aluminum, they're unique, and they don't require any touchups.
Add that to my list of reasons why I bought them.
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Unread 07-25-2014, 03:29 PM   #960
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Exactly. I think they look nice. They'd look great with my Bilsteins.
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