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Unread 04-25-2014, 09:54 AM   #916
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That's funny. I brought up the ugly welds to Matson in this or another thread, and he thought I was making something out of nothing, and that he would "eat his hat" if the strength was a concern. I hope his hat is yummy!

That said, I wouldn't run these if your plan is abusive wheeling. I would run good, large heims and change them regularly. There is a reason why race rigs run them.

For the JF crowd, and the majority of people these are more than fine. If you are using them in a custom suspension, (like I am) you need to make sure the joint is neutral at ride height. They do not like to be misaligned all the time much like the stock clevite bushings.

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Unread 04-25-2014, 10:29 AM   #917
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Some interesting developments here. I am interested in seeing how that Synergy arm compares once it is released. It would seem to me that Metalcloak is on the right track when competition starts following and possibly building improvements on their products.
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Unread 04-28-2014, 01:33 PM   #918
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So what I got from that is he was running 4 different joints, including duroflex, and beat the **** out of his rig and they broke...
the problem for mc is, that out of the 4 joints, theirs broke, the others did not.
that will be seen as weakness by some buyers. real or fantasy, makes no difference to some buyers.

i understand he has a competition rig, and it will abuse parts like no street rig could.
parts a street rig will wear out in 50k miles, a comp rig wears out in 2 races. some people wont see it that way.
some guys dont know what a real competition rig is. to them, their jeep has 35's, so it is a competition rig!

the only problem i see, is that i cant run his joints with other joints. i have a issue with that.
almost all my arms are currie now, so i will be sticking with currie. i cant just change a few joints at a time.
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Unread 04-28-2014, 02:42 PM   #919
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Weird that JK thread doesn't even mention Currie until Gerald brought it up.

WIth all of the questions of durability, I still don't know why one would need something different than the Currie joints. Maybe I'd have to run them if I ever get a streetish coiled Jeep again.
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Unread 05-24-2014, 07:22 AM   #920
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After reading Imped's reviews three or four times, I have gone ahead and ordered a full set of Metalcloaks aluminum control arms. Since my 3" lift, I've still been running most of the stock control arms. Off-road the ride has been decent and better then stock, but I'm most interested in improving it. I tend to drive a lot of miles on camping/wheeling trips, which I've got a 17 day trip to Utah at the end of the summer that will involve plenty of trails and dirt roads. I will also be towing a small trailer (link is in my signature).

I will not be doing the install. I have a small shop that I use (Imped, it's Sunfire), and although they're a Metalcloak dealer, they have not yet installed Metalcloak control arms so it will be new for them. I'll update this thread and see how it goes.
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Unread 05-24-2014, 11:57 AM   #921
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grogie, I am curious to hear how you compare the ride on the new arms to stock. I replaced my RC arms about 3 weeks ago in favor of the single-adjustable MC arms (also based heavily on Imped's reviews as well as many others) and am very happy with the way that it feels. It has been 4.5 years since I have rode on stock arms so while I honestly cannot remember entirely how it felt, this seems to be to be extremely close, if not the same. I can't wait to get off road to see how much better the Jeep feels there also.
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Unread 05-25-2014, 08:51 AM   #922
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I went from RC arms to MC arms and joints. Ride and flex improved immediately right off the bat.
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Unread 05-25-2014, 02:22 PM   #923
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grogie, I am curious to hear how you compare the ride on the new arms to stock. I replaced my RC arms about 3 weeks ago in favor of the single-adjustable MC arms (also based heavily on Imped's reviews as well as many others) and am very happy with the way that it feels. It has been 4.5 years since I have rode on stock arms so while I honestly cannot remember entirely how it felt, this seems to be to be extremely close, if not the same. I can't wait to get off road to see how much better the Jeep feels there also.
Well, I assume my Bilstein 5100 shocks and the OME HD springs were the improvement in off-road ride that I immediately noticed after the lift, being that the Jeep just absorbed bumps better. Further improvement will be welcomed and I'll report it. Don't tell my wife by my upcoming Utah trip is just shy of 4,000 miles so that will be a good test run!
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Unread 07-17-2014, 02:28 AM   #924
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Figured I would bump this with my initial review:

Install
Straight forward for the most part, but the instructions left a lot to be desired. I was able to figure out most things, but had to call Metalcloak on a few steps.
-The rear trac bar bracket reuses the stock bolt with the spacers to prevent crushing the mount.
-The control arms no longer require drilling out the mounts as they use factory sized hardware.
-Do not use the provided hardware for the upper arms as they stripped right before reaching factory torque specs. You can reuse the stockers.
-No torque specs are provided for anything. I was able to call metalcloak for their recommendations for the track bars and used the stock specs for the control arms.
-There are no bumpstop recommendations.
-Do not throw away your stock rear sway bar link hardware by accident like yours truly. Those bolts are expensive!
-One rear endlink had an incorrect bushing sleeve on one end. Metalcloak sent a replacement with the same issue. I was able to transfer the correct sleeve from one to replace the incorrect one and made one good link out of two out of spec links.
-Use antiseize on everything that is adjustable/removable (especially upper rear shock bolts)

The install went well other than the notes above. So well infact, I was able to get all four rear upper shock mount bolts out without a single broken fastener. Yeah I know you don't believe this, but it definitely happened. I replaced them all with new bolts and plenty of anti seize to hopefully continue the streak for the next removal.

First Drive
This went off without a hitch. I have an LJ with a BL/MML and didn't have any vibes at all. I will install my SYE when I do the TT. The Jeep drove and tracked extremely well. It also seemed smoother over broken surfaces which I attribute to the well matched OME shocks. Not rattles, clunks, or other noises.

First Few Hundred Miles
So far I have zero complaints. I drove into Boston a few times. The highways here are poor at best and the Jeep rode better than stock. It really absorbs impacts well. No more shudder when you hit a bunch of broken pavement like stock. It also corners better and more predictably now. This was a benefit I didn't expect. Overall ride quality is everything Metalcloak claims.

Offroad
I haven't had a chance to get off of the pavement yet. I will update this once I get on the trails.
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Unread 07-18-2014, 10:07 AM   #925
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Figured I would bump this with my initial review:

Install
Straight forward for the most part, but the instructions left a lot to be desired. I was able to figure out most things, but had to call Metalcloak on a few steps.
-The rear trac bar bracket reuses the stock bolt with the spacers to prevent crushing the mount.
-The control arms no longer require drilling out the mounts as they use factory sized hardware.
-Do not use the provided hardware for the upper arms as they stripped right before reaching factory torque specs. You can reuse the stockers.
-No torque specs are provided for anything. I was able to call metalcloak for their recommendations for the track bars and used the stock specs for the control arms.
-There are no bumpstop recommendations.
-Do not throw away your stock rear sway bar link hardware by accident like yours truly. Those bolts are expensive!
-One rear endlink had an incorrect bushing sleeve on one end. Metalcloak sent a replacement with the same issue. I was able to transfer the correct sleeve from one to replace the incorrect one and made one good link out of two out of spec links.
-Use antiseize on everything that is adjustable/removable (especially upper rear shock bolts)

The install went well other than the notes above. So well infact, I was able to get all four rear upper shock mount bolts out without a single broken fastener. Yeah I know you don't believe this, but it definitely happened. I replaced them all with new bolts and plenty of anti seize to hopefully continue the streak for the next removal.

First Drive
This went off without a hitch. I have an LJ with a BL/MML and didn't have any vibes at all. I will install my SYE when I do the TT. The Jeep drove and tracked extremely well. It also seemed smoother over broken surfaces which I attribute to the well matched OME shocks. Not rattles, clunks, or other noises.

First Few Hundred Miles
So far I have zero complaints. I drove into Boston a few times. The highways here are poor at best and the Jeep rode better than stock. It really absorbs impacts well. No more shudder when you hit a bunch of broken pavement like stock. It also corners better and more predictably now. This was a benefit I didn't expect. Overall ride quality is everything Metalcloak claims.

Offroad
I haven't had a chance to get off of the pavement yet. I will update this once I get on the trails.
Thank you for taking the time to produce a list of the issues you had. I am going to pass it along so that we can make corrections. I am glad to hear that it was worth the headache.
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Unread 07-18-2014, 03:45 PM   #926
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Absolutely. There is no way to improve unless we know our weaknesses. I know you guys will get all the little stuff squared away. If it didn't come through in my last post, I just want to say this is an amazing company that makes amazing products.
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Unread 07-19-2014, 05:09 PM   #927
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I now have bling!

This afternoon I picked up my TJ from Sunfire Off Road who installed a full set of the aluminum control arms. Dang! They're beefy and will certainly outlast me and the Jeep! This was the first time that this shop (who has built several KOH buggies) has installed Metalcloak control arms so it was new for them too.

A little background on my TJ, four plus years ago I had this shop lift it 3+" using most of the stock control arms. Honestly the ride off-road was still better then stock (probably the Bilstein 5100 shocks?). At the time I also had an AntiRock installed, so the front end felt floaty which wasn't just in turning, but as well on the highway. My wife when occasionally borrowing the TJ to drive (as it's a 3rd vehicle), she thought it bounced around a lot on bumps with what I called the lose front end. I never thought it was bad or dangerous... It's a Jeep.

So now how is the ride? The shop is about 1-1/2 hours from home so I made myself pay attention to the ride on the way there last weekend. On the highway at 70 mph it was the typical firm truck like ride that has some bounce to it. When hitting hard bumps due to rough pavement, I would certainly feel it in my back like a jolt. The jolt was what honestly made my TJ somewhat of an effort to drive long distances on camping/wheeling trips (as I typically drive it out west on a regular basis).

Well immediately just driving away through a small town with the Metalcloak arms, the front is indeed tighter. I can't recall exactly how it was with the stock sway bar (before the AntiRock), but it's an improvement that I'm pleased with. It's noticeable.

On the highway, now it just felt like it stayed straighter then before to where I was driving 75 mph without realizing it (that speed before just felt like I was too much effort). For anyone that's read my trailer build thread, I've been commenting that my Jeep feels better (more stable) on the road with the trailer in tow (having that extra weight behind it I figured). Well I have to say now that the Jeep now feels the same way with these control arms and no trailer, and better of course without that rough road jolt. Much better.

I have a two week camping/wheeling trip to Utah coming up (nearly 4,000 miles) so good timing! (And my thanks goes to Imped for his efforts here and input on my decision.)

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Unread 07-20-2014, 07:41 PM   #928
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Did you replace the axle side uca stock bushings? Im going metalcloak arms but stuck bc te jj conversion wont mesh and wasnt sure about the stock clevite bushings
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Unread 07-20-2014, 11:41 PM   #929
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I have not, but plan to in the future. The stock crevice will work fine until it's worn out.
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Unread 07-21-2014, 12:03 AM   #930
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About those broken joints....I would love to see what kind of angle those were installed at and also what the brackets looked like after the joints broke.
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