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Unread 03-19-2013, 01:41 PM   #211
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I installed the front uppers last night. I posted a short install/review for those interested. It's in my build thread.

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Unread 03-22-2013, 02:16 PM   #212
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Hey guys.. Will from MC pointed me here.. Had some questions about how well the DF joints would hold up on a front triangulated setup from a deflection and wear standpoint..

Currently have TeraFlex 5" LCG Max Long Arm kit on the Jeep.. It's a triangulated 4 link setup on the front and rear.. Stress forces on the front upper CA joints are well beyond the capabilties of what the 2" joint was intended. (Should have had a 2.5 joint IMHO, but there's not clearances with the current frame and axle mounts to hold the 2.5") I'm going through the rebuildable joint bushings about every 5000 miles to keep the death wobble (DW) at bay. Mostly road miles with some moderate wheeling.. The Flex Joints on the TeraFlex kit are basically the same thing as a Johnny Joint (designwise, even if material isn't), they just use a 7/8 x18 (tpi) shank rather than the 3/4" or 1" shank the JJ comes in.

Anyroads.. Have been considering the Duroflex joints as an option for replacement. I know all the "Pros" about using them from what's on the MC site and now reading here. My concern is using something as flexy as the Duroflex joint could be in a triagulated 4 link. When I say I've been rebuilding due to wear it's due to the DW that's a result of a worn joint.. By most peoples and suspension standards the joints are not really worn out, just worn down, but the lack of any trackbar with my 4 link has a very low tolerance for worn or overly flexy parts before the thing starts with the DW.

Thanks for any input you guys can provide...

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Unread 03-22-2013, 02:44 PM   #213
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Hey guys.. Will from MC pointed me here.. Had some questions about how well the DF joints would hold up on a front triangulated setup from a deflection and wear standpoint..

Currently have TeraFlex 5" LCG Max Long Arm kit on the Jeep.. It's a triangulated 4 link setup on the front and rear.. Stress forces on the front upper CA joints are well beyond the capabilties of what the 2" joint was intended. (Should have had a 2.5 joint IMHO, but there's not clearances with the current frame and axle mounts to hold the 2.5") I'm going through the rebuildable joint bushings about every 5000 miles to keep the death wobble (DW) at bay. Mostly road miles with some moderate wheeling.. The Flex Joints on the TeraFlex kit are basically the same thing as a Johnny Joint (designwise, even if material isn't), they just use a 7/8 x18 (tpi) shank rather than the 3/4" or 1" shank the JJ comes in.

Anyroads.. Have been considering the Duroflex joints as an option for replacement. I know all the "Pros" about using them from what's on the MC site and now reading here. My concern is using something as flexy as the Duroflex joint could be in a triagulated 4 link. When I say I've been rebuilding due to wear it's due to the DW that's a result of a worn joint.. By most peoples and suspension standards the joints are not really worn out, just worn down, but the lack of any trackbar with my 4 link has a very low tolerance for worn or overly flexy parts before the thing starts with the DW.

Thanks for any input you guys can provide...

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Unread 03-22-2013, 03:16 PM   #214
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I finished off my front suspension with the MC short arms last night. Installed the lowers last week and noticed a much better ride, although it was just the front and seemed like it magnified the harshness of the rear. Also still had some steering shimmy at 45 and occasional DW. Installed the uppers last night and the difference is magical. Vastly improved the overall ride of the jeep and no shimmy or DW at all, even before alignment and probably with imbalanced tires. But, I was going from a very beat up stock suspension (I could wiggle the upper bushings loose by hand), so I would have been disappointed if I hadn't noticed a significant improvement.

This is my first set of adjustable arms so I don't have as much to compare with as most on JF, but needless to say I'm very happy and can't wait to finish off my rear suspension with them. Going wheeling tonight so I'll see how that goes. I don't expect to be disappointed (as long as I set them up correctly lol).



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Unread 03-24-2013, 01:44 PM   #215
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A little crawling and some higher speed stuff:

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Higher speed suspension view:
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Unread 03-24-2013, 01:52 PM   #216
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I think this thread has convinced me to get Metalcloak's full set of arms.
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Unread 03-24-2013, 01:55 PM   #217
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I think this thread has convinced me to get Metalcloak's full set of arms.
x2. Seeing as I'll be doing alot of traveling in the near future, nothing is more important than how my Jeep handles and rides.
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Unread 03-24-2013, 08:17 PM   #218
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Ordered MC lowers for the rear yesterday. Will be ordering front lowers and uppers soon.
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Unread 03-24-2013, 09:33 PM   #219
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Ordered upper joints for the RC front uppers that have been drilled out for the currie JJ conversion

Front lowers and rear lowers as soon as I get the jeep $!
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Unread 03-31-2013, 05:24 PM   #220
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For you guys that have run both JJs and the cloak arms so far which overall has a better on road ride?
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Unread 03-31-2013, 05:40 PM   #221
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Still haven't received my arms.
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Unread 03-31-2013, 06:47 PM   #222
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Still haven't received my arms.
yeah my order is still processing from 3/18
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Unread 03-31-2013, 07:03 PM   #223
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I already sold my old arms and to be honest with them being in the same state as me, 10 days is pushing it.

Genright and savvy are same state and have always had me my parts in 3 days tops.....
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Unread 03-31-2013, 07:39 PM   #224
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gonna be ordering some tonight, does anyone know the threads per inch that the metalcloak "threaded spud" is?
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Unread 03-31-2013, 10:38 PM   #225
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A little crawling and some higher speed stuff:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbrOXBzKewU

Slow speed suspension view:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8Kha4xGbRg

Higher speed suspension view:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgL_IxcmX-E
do you think you could do a launch with the MC joints on pavement to get a good comparison in deflection? In the videos it looks like the MCs have more deflection on acceleration, which is expected, I was just wondering how big the difference really was.

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1997 ZJ limited - BONE stock
2003 tj - 4in skyjacker, 33" mickey thompsons
my on board alternator/welder write up
[url]http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f12/alternator-welder-write-up-1301614/[/url]
my tj 1/2 doors on a yj write up
[url]http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f12/tj-uppers-yj-half-doors-hard-top-installation-1417686/[/url]
RC vs BDS
[url]http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f12/rough-country-vs-bds-1461555/[/url]
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