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post #1 of 39 Old 01-20-2004, 10:20 AM Thread Starter
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How do you get the Starter to work without pressing the clutch?

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I heard you just need to pull a fuse or something to get the starter to work without pressing the clutch.

Being a careful sort , I could see this as being useful in an off road situation.

So How do you do it?

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post #2 of 39 Old 01-20-2004, 10:23 AM
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Per the instructions in your owner's manual there is a location in the fuse panel behind the glove compartment for a fuse that is inserted into that defeats the clutch interlock circuit. That's it! Mine has been that way since the day I bought it 7 years ago.

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Thanks for all the good info this morning.
I saw that fuse hole with a label but it did not have a fuse in it.
Now it all makes sense. You have to put a fuse in to disable it!

Seems kind of backwards but I'll go for it!

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Thanks for all the good info this morning.
I saw that fuse hole with a label but it did not have a fuse in it.
Now it all makes sense. You have to put a fuse in to disable it!

Seems kind of backwards but I'll go for it!

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Actually your are enabling a bypass circuit. Same effect as disabling the interlock though; you're just jumping around it.
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2000 TJ 6cyl 5spd
I heard you just need to pull a fuse or something to get the starter to work without pressing the clutch.

Being a careful sort , I could see this as being useful in an off road situation.

So How do you do it?
I WOLDN'T do it, unless you have some offroad issue, and then you can pull the fuse.
Do you have auto trans cars around the house? Ever start 'em while you are standing outside? (In Westsylvania, we do this to let 'em warm up while we scrape off the snow).
Anyway, point is you may FORGET that your TJ is a manual tranny, and make it jump or somesuch if you start it in gear. Good way to bend something or hurt someone.
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I WOLDN'T do it, unless you have some offroad issue, and then you can pull the fuse.
What!!??? Do you actually think a procedure that worked well for the entire world suddenly became dangerous only in the U.S. nearly overnight? You do realize that this is how all cars worked for like 90 years until some lawyer got involved a few years ago and said there might be an idiot or two that could sue us if he forgot to push the clutch in, right?

In other words, all we're doing here is disabling something that merely allows the starter and clutch to work like they have for all but a few recent years of automotive history.

On second thought, if this whole thing worries you that much, maybe you should keep your TJ's interlock engaged.

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what size fuse? do you have to remove the glove box or what? thanks.

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What!!??? Do you actually think a procedure that worked well for the entire world suddenly became dangerous only in the U.S. nearly overnight? You do realize that this is how all cars worked for like 90 years until some lawyer got involved a few years ago and said there might be an idiot or two that could sue us if he forgot to push the clutch in, right?

In other words, all we're doing here is disabling something that merely allows the starter and clutch to work like they have for all but a few recent years of automotive history.

On second thought, if this whole thing worries you that much, maybe you should keep your TJ's interlock engaged.
Jerry- relax, I'm a greybeard; grew up w/o interlocks, the one on my dad's 3/4 ton Chev failed, left him sit in Cresson. The starter on my '47 Pontiac was a knob that stuck out of the floor; you didn't even need the KEY turned to crank it.
However, that was before fuel injection and starting cars from outside, and having most cars around the house w/automatics.
It has been twenty years since my last manual tranny, and I've developed some bad habits about just hitting the starter.
I was going to take the interlock out of mine, but I caught myself trying to crank it with the clutch out...decided that, for me, letting it in made sense.
Others can do as they please, but if they have gotten used to automatics, they might want to leave the interlock in. Easy enough to disable if the need arises; in the meantime, my Jeep won't be running over the dog or jumping thru the garage door.

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What!!??? Do you actually think a procedure that worked well for the entire world suddenly became dangerous only in the U.S. nearly overnight? You do realize that this is how all cars worked for like 90 years until some lawyer got involved a few years ago and said there might be an idiot or two that could sue us if he forgot to push the clutch in, right?

In other words, all we're doing here is disabling something that merely allows the starter and clutch to work like they have for all but a few recent years of automotive history.

On second thought, if this whole thing worries you that much, maybe you should keep your TJ's interlock engaged.



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halfmoon is way oldschool. i thought jerry was kind of loose with his words in regards to the "idiot" thing. that would have really ruffled my feathers pretty bad.

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halfmoon is way oldschool. i thought jerry was kind of loose with his words in regards to the "idiot" thing. that would have really ruffled my feathers pretty bad.
GEH- Figured Jerry was talking about some other idiot (the one that would file a suit).
Jerry forgets that not everyone is as mechanically astute as he is.
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you are right. i apologise to both of you. i've got the flu and am sleeping in my puter chair half delirious from the brown water navy blues, shakes, dizzy thing. i thought jerry was being mean and i feel kind of dumb for saying anything. sorry.

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Every vehicle I have ever gotten into for the last 10 years, I have reached for the clutch, it feels kinda funny when it isn't there. Even the clunker of a pickup I bought and drove for 4 years before I sold her, had an auto, but almost every day I would try to find the clutch, its like buckling the seatbelt, just an automatic thing.
I also hate the fact when I borrowed my parents car last time I was home, I had to press the brake in in order to change gears in the Intrepid. what a hassle.
Btw, thank you for posting this, I didn't know it was that easy to override.

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what size fuse? do you have to remove the glove box or what? thanks.
It's number 18 in the fuse panel I think, Curt. On the left side of the panel, can't remember exactly, but it probaby is the only empty one there. Seems like it's a 15, maybe a 20 amp fuse. Yeah, the panel is behind the glove box, not hard to get to. I think it's even convered in the owners manual.

I bypassed mine early on right after I got my TJ. I've driven manual transmissions for a bunch of years, and I think I know when to kick my starter. There are times when the ability to restart the engine without the clutch can be a big safety factor in itself. I drove a lot of years before I ever heard of such a thing as a clutch interlock.

To each his own.

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Every vehicle I have ever gotten into for the last 10 years, I have reached for the clutch, it feels kinda funny when it isn't there. Even the clunker of a pickup I bought and drove for 4 years before I sold her, had an auto, but almost every day I would try to find the clutch, its like buckling the seatbelt, just an automatic thing.

Btw, thank you for posting this, I didn't know it was that easy to override the idiot check.
Wile- That's just what I'm talking about, except in reverse. I have gotten OUT of the habit of stomping on a clutch, having been away from it for some time ('tho I did catch myself stomping on empty floor in my bride's VW the other day....)
My concern is that many new drivers aren't used to a clutch, and may accidentally crank the starter in gear.
I'm teaching my daughter to drive, and she is driving the '99 'one footed', leaving the left one for a clutch someday. Maybe. If I let her drive the TJ.
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