[The Mean Fish]

Originally Posted by NEWtoTHEjeepLIF

I really don't know what that meant. It is alot more work than a simple flat fender but I think it should be worth it.

What I mean is that you're putting a TON of work into lifting the stock fenders when the first tree you bump into is going to destroy them since you've removed all of their support... in addition now you'll need to mod your stock hood.

It would have made a lot more sense to pull the stock fenders off and build some strong flat fenders with the added clearance you seem to want.

[whitham_wannabe]

Originally Posted by NEWtoTHEjeepLIF

I really don't know what that meant. It is alot more work than a simple flat fender but I think it should be worth it.

Man, you should be proud of trying something like this, it's a lot more than 90% of the comedians on here are prepared to do. A smart mod too, keeping your CoG low.

What did you do around the grill, where it needs reprofiling? Can't tell from the pics.

[Rule303]

This forum is the best free entertainment to be found anywhere.
I swear sometimes I think the administrators post phoney questions just for the entertainment factor.

[whitham_wannabe]

Originally Posted by The Mean Fish

What I mean is that you're putting a TON of work into lifting the stock fenders when the first tree you bump into is going to destroy them since you've removed all of their support... in addition now you'll need to mod your stock hood.

It would have made a lot more sense to pull the stock fenders off and build some strong flat fenders with the added clearance you seem to want.

Flat fenders don't give much additional clearance, the tube is an inch or so below the plane of the top of the fender, these are 4" higher than that plane. And if they are weak when you bend them out of the way, it's easier to bend them back into place ...

Now tube fenders at this height would be the ticket.

[The Mean Fish]

Originally Posted by whitham_wannabe

Flat fenders don't give much additional clearance, the tube is an inch or so below the plane of the top of the fender, these are 4" higher than that plane. And if they are weak when you bend them out of the way, it's easier to bend them back into place ...

Now tube fenders at this height would be the ticket.

I guess that's why I said "It would have made a lot more sense to pull the stock fenders off and build some strong flat fenders with the added clearance you seem to want."

He's putting a ton of work into them but they're very weak and the first time he hits something with them they're toast. His time would be much better spent building some flat fenders at the height he wants and dealing with cutting his stock hood to match them.

[IGotADisneyJeep]

I see you are doing some mods on your jeep!

Doing mods are great & at times you need to be brave to do them esp if its your 1st time. It's awesome you are doing mods & are thinking about your jeep on the ways you want it to perform. When you get it done I'm sure you will like it because you thought of it on your own & did it on your own.

You have to also think if its pratical & worth the time. As for you I'm sure its pratical & worth your time because you started it & its almost done.

There are a few things that are my concern that will weaken your front part of your jeep due to the fact the way you modified it.

1: The fenders are very weak & flimsy because the bottom & front supports are gone. When you go offroading around the areas like The Badlands,The Cliffs & RockPort there will be lots of trees & a few rocks. Its gonna bend & rip off no doubt.
2: There are lots of open areas by the wheel well. By all the openings this will be very bad because when it rains,snows,salt, when you offroad in wet mud & get stuck in deep mud or water... all that will splash inside your jeep. That will cause lots of major problems
3: The lower part by the fender where you raised it..there is 2" gap now. If you have a rocker guard it may not fully protect that weak bottom corner since it hangs low like that. If you roll over a rock that lower part will get damaged
4: You will now have to modify your hood & you may have an opening on each side corners because it may not set/fit in correctly since the fenders are raised higher.
5: I'm sure if I see it... there maybe more but thats what I noticed & thought about seeing the mods you made.

I'm sure things will work out though & you will find a solution. I'm sure you did gain the clearance you were looking for but to me that was not very pratical because you have some issues that are gonna be a concern.

As a few of us has mentioned & also my opinion. It would have been the best idea to save money & didn't do that mod & bought a flat tube fender & dont have to worry about all the stuff thats gonna be a concern now.

And, what if you do damage the fenders I'm sure you will be tubing up the fenders & now you'll be stuck with a modified hood that maynot be compatable with the tube fenders. Thats more work to be done & perhaps you may have to buy a new hood.

All in all its great you are thinking about your jeep & making some mods.
Good Luck & I'm sure I'll see you on the trails around here!

[Varnish]

Originally Posted by NEWtoTHEjeepLIF

If you don't know what I'm doing feel free to ask. If you don't want to ask then try shuting up.

For future reference, I think it would be better if you kept projects/topics to a single post, just makes life easier for future searchers and folks trying to follow what you are doing.
http://jeepforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=295996

[The Mean Fish]

Wow... from the other thread.

Originally Posted by NEWtoTHEjeepLIF

I have never really understood the long bumpstops. I would rather allow for the travel that my springs shocks and ca's desire to achieve. JMHO I am not an expert.

[Brown Dog]

Originally Posted by jcd

Call me crazy, but if you aren't able to identify the 'big black thing' or the 'smaller silver thing', you probably have no business taking them off.

That is the most profoundly accurate statement I have heard in weeks. Thanks for restoring my faith in mankind.

[Bill_Dunnigan]

wow, theres a whole lot of Bull Sh*t in this forum, you should all get the sand out of your P*ssys and stop asking and answering stupid questions!

[Rule303]

Originally Posted by Sait

wow, theres a whole lot of Bull Sh*t in this forum, you should all get the sand out of your P*ssys and stop asking and answering stupid questions!

Who's got what where? Sounds like you aren't feeling too fresh either.

[NEWtoTHEjeepLIF]

Originally Posted by The Mean Fish

What I mean is that you're putting a TON of work into lifting the stock fenders when the first tree you bump into is going to destroy them since you've removed all of their support... in addition now you'll need to mod your stock hood.

It would have made a lot more sense to pull the stock fenders off and build some strong flat fenders with the added clearance you seem to want.

Sorry my funding and ability must not be where yours is.

Lets see for me to "just build some tube fenders" I would have to
-buy my welder and tools say $1000
-and then the materials say another $100 (maybe more maybe less).

Then I would have to spend tons of hours of time just learning how to weld. Then another huge chunk of time designing something that will work as a fender and strength producer. Next I will have to built said product I would say somewhere near 100 hours before I build a product that is truely "trail-ready" and most likely hundreds of dollars spent on tubing to replace all the stuff I screw up. In the end I will have a nice set of fenders that accomplish what I want and I'll also have used maybe say 6 months of my free time and a thousand dollars or so.

As is, I spent about 5 hours in my alley on two beautiful days. I will spend most likely 5 more before my end of the job is done. I spent......0$

I am taking the rig to a guy who will "tube it out" for me. Much more than just tube fenders. It will be a completely custom job that will cover the fenders and sides of the rig. Like I have said before my rig is not going to be pretty and I don't try to argue that. If I wanted pretty I would have bought a G-wagen or Defender 90 and left it stock. This job will be done by a professional in a professional setting and it will be setup to take the meanest of abuse. Right now my rig is getting me home and to the Bank and back home. I haven't wheeled in weeks and won't be out again until the tubing is done. I am probably going to spend in the range of $500 to $1100 (depending on what I actually decide to do and how hard it is)a to get all this done (not just the fenders) IMHO I kinda picked this dog treat up straight off the floor and building my own would be kinda like trying to get the treat out of a bigger dogs mouth.


But thanks for your concern, and thanks for making it clear the first time incase I really needed your knowledge and practical advice.




I plan to get tubing done

[NEWtoTHEjeepLIF]

Originally Posted by The Mean Fish

Wow... from the other thread.

Sorry I like uptravel, shoot me

[NEWtoTHEjeepLIF]

Originally Posted by Varnish

For future reference, I think it would be better if you kept projects/topics to a single post, just makes life easier for future searchers and folks trying to follow what you are doing.
http://jeepforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=295996

That is true. I really had no intention of this being anything other than a quickly answered question. I guess I was wrong about that. You are correct however. I just thought a new thread would be the best way to get an answer to a specific (clearly stupid) question.

[NEWtoTHEjeepLIF]

Originally Posted by IGotADisneyJeep

I see you are doing some mods on your jeep!

Doing mods are great & at times you need to be brave to do them esp if its your 1st time. It's awesome you are doing mods & are thinking about your jeep on the ways you want it to perform. When you get it done I'm sure you will like it because you thought of it on your own & did it on your own.

You have to also think if its pratical & worth the time. As for you I'm sure its pratical & worth your time because you started it & its almost done.

There are a few things that are my concern that will weaken your front part of your jeep due to the fact the way you modified it.

1: The fenders are very weak & flimsy because the bottom & front supports are gone. When you go offroading around the areas like The Badlands,The Cliffs & RockPort there will be lots of trees & a few rocks. Its gonna bend & rip off no doubt.
2: There are lots of open areas by the wheel well. By all the openings this will be very bad because when it rains,snows,salt, when you offroad in wet mud & get stuck in deep mud or water... all that will splash inside your jeep. That will cause lots of major problems
3: The lower part by the fender where you raised it..there is 2" gap now. If you have a rocker guard it may not fully protect that weak bottom corner since it hangs low like that. If you roll over a rock that lower part will get damaged
4: You will now have to modify your hood & you may have an opening on each side corners because it may not set/fit in correctly since the fenders are raised higher.
5: I'm sure if I see it... there maybe more but thats what I noticed & thought about seeing the mods you made.

I'm sure things will work out though & you will find a solution. I'm sure you did gain the clearance you were looking for but to me that was not very pratical because you have some issues that are gonna be a concern.

As a few of us has mentioned & also my opinion. It would have been the best idea to save money & didn't do that mod & bought a flat tube fender & dont have to worry about all the stuff thats gonna be a concern now.

And, what if you do damage the fenders I'm sure you will be tubing up the fenders & now you'll be stuck with a modified hood that maynot be compatable with the tube fenders. Thats more work to be done & perhaps you may have to buy a new hood.

All in all its great you are thinking about your jeep & making some mods.
Good Luck & I'm sure I'll see you on the trails around here!

OK I am clearly no good at this online stuff. My rig is NOT EVEN CLOSE to done. I thought that was clear based on certain things but.....I guess not.

I do appreciate some serious concern from a fellow jeeper but this is not how it is going to the trails.

Still a wait till you see me there.