[TJVigilante]

If you take them out, you'll have to reinstall all those brake lines, bleed the brakes, etc. If you can do the job with that stuff in there, I'd do it. Otherwise....I'd have a pro help you with it. If you don't know what that stuff is, you don't know how to properly remove and replace them.

[NEWtoTHEjeepLIF]

Originally Posted by TJVigilante

If you don't know what that stuff is, you don't know how to properly remove and replace them.

Now that is the truth. That is why I was asking. Thanks for actually helping

[thesherm]

those parts no longer have any practical use. the brake system is now controlled completely by your pcm via a wireless remote system, but it was cheaper for DC to leave them in, rather than redesign the engine compartment and reengineer the manufacturing process. in order to remove them, you must first remove and discard the wingnut behind the steering wheel.

edit: i am just kidding with you, i noticed that you blasted the others for joking around.

[Chris_Ryan]

OK I have read both of your threads now about what you are doing. My best advice to you is go to the parts store and by a Chiltons (or Haynes) Manual for roughly 20$. It will give you step by step directions to do almost anything. Then you can decide if a job is too big (or dangerious) for you to do. The best part is, IT HAS PICTURES!!!

In response to this perticular situation, STAY AWAY FROM YOUR BRAKES! Pads and shoes are easy swaps, but a master cylinder, not the best thing to do if you are not sure of your abilities (or what the shiny metal things are)

Yes we were all FNG's (F'n New Guy) at one point, my first beater was an 86 Cutlass w/ a V8 (it was 12 years old). I learned alot on it; well because I could not afford to pay to have a water pump replaced (or what ever broke that week) by a pro.

[Polaris]

I see... I see...




A Darwin Award in your future.

[GreenDean]

Originally Posted by Polaris

I see... I see...




A Darwin Award in your future.

Remember... A match is better then a flash light when looking down the fill tube of your fuel tank. Don't worry, gas isnt flamable... but the fumes are.

[NEWtoTHEjeepLIF]

Originally Posted by Polaris

I see... I see...




A Darwin Award in your future.

Yes Yes we all know that I am going to remove these parts and then go flying down a side street killing little children willy nilly until I get to a point where there are no more kiddies to kill then I will find a brick wall and head right for it. Also If you missed my other threads I removed my seats and seat belts. I drive on a five gallon bucket. I also removed my airbags. It will be a crazy trip and I will make sure to ask some one to hold my beer first. Geez where were you with all this helpful advice when I tried to drive down the freeway at 70mph with no rear shocks and no bolts connecting my hardtop?

[NEWtoTHEjeepLIF]

Originally Posted by Parcells9

OK I have read both of your threads now about what you are doing. My best advice to you is go to the parts store and by a Chiltons (or Haynes) Manual for roughly 20$. It will give you step by step directions to do almost anything. Then you can decide if a job is too big (or dangerious) for you to do. The best part is, IT HAS PICTURES!!!

In response to this perticular situation, STAY AWAY FROM YOUR BRAKES! Pads and shoes are easy swaps, but a master cylinder, not the best thing to do if you are not sure of your abilities (or what the shiny metal things are)

Yes we were all FNG's (F'n New Guy) at one point, my first beater was an 86 Cutlass w/ a V8 (it was 12 years old). I learned alot on it; well because I could not afford to pay to have a water pump replaced (or what ever broke that week) by a pro.

Yeah I have a haynes...just can't find it right now... Thats what lead to all these questions.


This is why the responses I got to my first thread are so funny.

"Just take out the battery and undo the bolts"

Yeah cause that's all that is connected to the fenders.....

Anyway I was just looking to see if this was something I could disconnect and if so how. Strange thing is everything I read in haynes said just to disconnect stuff an take it off (I don't remember any "watch out for the brakes")

Anyway thanks for the help

[UTWeezul]

Not gonna give a smart answer since so many other people have. But have you thought about trimming the inside of that fender to fit around the brake parts? It could work and then you could get some rubber or something to cover the gaps to keep mud and water out. Just trying to help out but seems like it could work.

[PackMan]

Dude, you need to get a FSM and figure out what you're doing. People are hesitant to give you an answer because you readily admitted that you don't know what it is.

I see nothing wrong with not being able to identify a part on a Jeep or it's function... although Jeeps are the most simplistic, Luddite vehicle made today (or last month at least), they are still complex pieces of machinery with many interdependencies that were determined by professional engineers working with advanced software in a lab environment.

Most of us are back-yard mechanics being very creative - and occassionally brilliant - with our tweaks and mods to what DCX produced. It starts by understanding what you're looking at... asking questions is fine, reading is fine. But you're already looking to rip it out before you know WTF it is or what chain of events will result in this endeavor.

If you do not know what you are looking at, you have no business touching it. And you should not get butt-hurt that no one wants to help you rip out something that will likely get you or someone else killed.

A better thread would have been "WTF is this, and what does it do?"

[thesherm]

the truth is, many of us on here need advice and this is a great forum to come to for help. i think the jokes are funny and add to the enjoyment.

[NEWtoTHEjeepLIF]

Originally Posted by UTWeezul

Not gonna give a smart answer since so many other people have. But have you thought about trimming the inside of that fender to fit around the brake parts? It could work and then you could get some rubber or something to cover the gaps to keep mud and water out. Just trying to help out but seems like it could work.

That is one of the thoughts. well really just play it by ear (eye I guess) and figure it out while we go.

[anebrich]

Originally Posted by NEWtoTHEjeepLIF

Now there are two things that I have no clue what they are or how to get them out ....

blah, blah, blah...

So please if you guys could, can you identify these part and possibly the easiest way to disconnect them? Thanks a ton...

Hmm, sounds like some good technical questions to me! Whether or not he has the capability to figure it out or not I don't know. But, he is willing to come on here and ask what the shiny things are (sorry had to say it) and tell us he doesn't know what they are. Yeah it's a little scary, but what scares me more is the guy who doesn't come on here and ask for help and just decides to do it on his own. So how about we help this guy out and get him going as safe as possible! Besides, I have family in Chicago and I really don't want this guy to get pissed at the smart *** comments and decide to do this on his own without our help.

Now...back to the questions...


The silver thingy is part of your ABS system, it's what sends the pulses to the brakes, the proportioning valve, not that you asked but someone else mentioned it, is actually attached to the aluminum box that is attached to the round black thingy, which by the way is the brake booster, this is what gives you power brakes.

To remove these items is really quite simple, unbolt everything (the brake booster usually unbolts from under the dash - not sure about TJ's, never looked at mine, however, you will, as mentioned before in this thread, have to completely, and I mean completely redo the hydraulics in your brake system, not very fun by the way.


My suggestion is to leave it alone if you can. If you DON'T ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO remove it DON'T! It's a real pain in the arse, not to mention a little time consuming, to completely redo the hydraulics in your brakes. Something else to consider is you may get some contaminants in your lines and that would suck.

Either way, good luck to you and don't forget to ask more questions...

p.s. There are no stupid questions, just stupid answers...

[NEWtoTHEjeepLIF]

Originally Posted by PackMan

Dude, you need to get a FSM and figure out what you're doing. People are hesitant to give you an answer because you readily admitted that you don't know what it is.

True I need an FSM. I seem to have misplaced my haynes manual. But why would people be hesitant to answer if I say I don't know what something is? I mean that really doesn't make sense. Who better to answer than someone who asks a question?

Originally Posted by PackMan

I see nothing wrong with not being able to identify a part on a Jeep or it's function... although Jeeps are the most simplistic, Luddite vehicle made today (or last month at least), they are still complex pieces of machinery with many interdependencies that were determined by professional engineers working with advanced software in a lab environment.

Yep, hence the questions.

Originally Posted by PackMan

Most of us are back-yard mechanics being very creative - and occassionally brilliant - with our tweaks and mods to what DCX produced. It starts by understanding what you're looking at... asking questions is fine, reading is fine. But you're already looking to rip it out before you know WTF it is or what chain of events will result in this endeavor.

Don't want to rip it out. I want to remove it so that i can mod somethig around it and then I want to re-install it. (can you read? I swear I already posted that)

Originally Posted by PackMan

If you do not know what you are looking at, you have no business touching it.

Wow another pearl of wisdom from JF

Originally Posted by PackMan

And you should not get butt-hurt that no one wants to help you rip out something that will likely get you or someone else killed.

First off I am not butt hurt. I am tired of wading through useless answers filled with bitter sarcasim and lacking any wit or originality. I have no problem with someone making a joke (see joke ie. funny) or giving me a hard time about my rig or something like that. But this whole attitude on here is what gets to me. Out of the 50+ replies I have gotten today maybe 5 offered help. 2 made me laugh. And a couple made good points about what an idiot I am. Leaving about 41 that had no purpose of than to bash and post pad.

I am not sitting here saying come on be nice to me guys or gettting mad about the jokes that I should just remove everything. But rather at the way people here act. AND the fact that some how even though this whole thing happens on computers, some of you guys can't f-ing read

Originally Posted by PackMan

A better thread would have been "WTF is this, and what does it do?"

[NEWtoTHEjeepLIF]

Originally Posted by anebrich

Hmm, sounds like some good technical questions to me! Whether or not he has the capability to figure it out or not I don't know. But, he is willing to come on here and ask what the shiny things are (sorry had to say it) and tell us he doesn't know what they are. Yeah it's a little scary, but what scares me more is the guy who doesn't come on here and ask for help and just decides to do it on his own. So how about we help this guy out and get him going as safe as possible! Besides, I have family in Chicago and I really don't want this guy to get pissed at the smart *** comments and decide to do this on his own without our help.

Now...back to the questions...


The silver thingy is part of your ABS system, it's what sends the pulses to the brakes, the proportioning valve, not that you asked but someone else mentioned it, is actually attached to the aluminum box that is attached to the round black thingy, which by the way is the brake booster, this is what gives you power brakes.

To remove these items is really quite simple, unbolt everything (the brake booster usually unbolts from under the dash - not sure about TJ's, never looked at mine, however, you will, as mentioned before in this thread, have to completely, and I mean completely redo the hydraulics in your brake system, not very fun by the way.


My suggestion is to leave it alone if you can. If you DON'T ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO remove it DON'T! It's a real pain in the arse, not to mention a little time consuming, to completely redo the hydraulics in your brakes. Something else to consider is you may get some contaminants in your lines and that would suck.

Either way, good luck to you and don't forget to ask more questions...

p.s. There are no stupid questions, just stupid answers...

Hours and hours of waiting and all I can say is wow. Thanks for the explanation.

I have no problem with making fun of the fact that I called it the shiny thing (atleast everyone knew what I was talking about.)

Is the aluminum box just a bad to remove? Would it cause as much problems to re-connect? Really the main reason it needs to come out is so I can mod the fender and the support bracket. It will be going in about the same place as where it came out.