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Unread 02-03-2013, 12:35 AM   #1
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From HEEP to JEEP.... 2.5 to 4.0, lift and more

I'm doing this thread for my buddy Brian. We started his Jeep build yesterday as I am waiting for parts on my HEMI build. He bought this jeep from his aunt and uncle for $500. They only drove it in the winter and Michigan winters aren't very forgiving... We will have to fight some bolts!

Here is the overview of this project. We are going to be moving as fast as possible, both time wise and financially... wheeling and Race season is coming soon.....
  • complete strip down to frame and tub
  • swap motors- 2.5/5 speed to 4.0/auto
  • motor swap requires new fab of motor mounts
  • body lift
  • 6" RC LA lift
  • 8.8 rear axle swap with 4.88s, locked
  • front d30-new u-joints, some type of locker
  • fab up front bumper
  • fab up rear bumper and tire carrier
  • rocker sliders
  • raptor line the interior of tub after floor patch
  • new tube fenders
  • fresh coat of paint... he's still deciding on color
  • new gas tak skid

he is getting all the take out drive train parts from the HEMI TJ, so
  • 4.0 motor- we are throwing on a new head gasket
  • auto trans and mount
  • auto skid plate
  • computer
  • complete exhaust
  • wire harness
  • shifter cable
  • radiator
  • shroud
  • fuel pump
  • power steering high pressure line
  • a/c compressor- will be modded into on board air system
on to the pics... get ready... go
the starting point....





got into the garage last night and we tore into it.. Surprisingly ALL 6 of the Transmission Skid Plate Bolts CAME OUT!!!!!!









gas tank removal and body lift install. both rear body mount bolts broke. I ended up just knocking the factory nuts off in the body. we are going to pop some access holes on the backside of the frame rail and just throw some nuts and washers on the top side to secure it.




think its time for a new skid


time to remove the hamsters






no this jeep has never been off road....


here she sits at the end of today... we called it quits, all got cleaned up and the group all went out to dinner and then watched Parker. Sweet movie


eddies dog just chillin in the jeep!


scrap bin...


more to follow... still would like to get some reference measurement for where the stock 4.0 frame side motor mounts are 'at.'

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Unread 02-03-2013, 01:42 AM   #2
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Are you gonna get rid of the stock rims currently on the Jeep? If so how much? heh
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Unread 02-03-2013, 02:07 AM   #3
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yeah pretty sure brian was planning on selling them. I know eddie is going to sell his too. I will find out and get you an answer when i hear it from them.
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Unread 02-03-2013, 10:56 PM   #4
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I didn't spend anytime in the garage today, spent the day with the girl I should have married..lol second chances...

the guys got the jeep stripped down further. the jeep, being a 2.5 has 4.10 gears in it as I suspected it would. they cleaned the axle tags and were happy to see that. the pulled the axles and all the control arms off. front axle came apart as of right now it is in dire need of r/l u joints. its all gonna get cleaned and prepped for re-install.

they started removing frame brackets; got both motor mounts off, front upper CA mounts and the front LCA mounts off. I have to make a run tomorrow for new plasma tips and metabo wheels..

pics tomorrow
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yeah pretty sure brian was planning on selling them. I know eddie is going to sell his too. I will find out and get you an answer when i hear it from them.
cool thanks man!
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eddie and I swapped the the blown u-joints on the front shafts on Monday night. brian got the shafts re-installed and the rest of the axle put together



fired up the plasma and the grinders alittle on Monday and a little tonight to get all the frame brackets off and prepped...







little clean up and paint




then I cut the rusted out section of the pass floor pan out... flinstone style now..


hopefully the new lift can be ordered by Friday... still no decisions on tires yet...
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2.5 to 4.0L swap and build up http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f9/he.../#post14946167
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probably start making a rear bumper tomorrow and roughing the new frame side motor mounts
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2.5 to 4.0L swap and build up http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f9/he.../#post14946167
4.0 to 2008 5.3L GM LS in the Taco'd TJ [frame off build].....http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f9/5-...28/?highlight=
My new DD Build, lift, 4.0 motor swap, done in 6 days?....http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f22/6.../#post15716292

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Unread 02-06-2013, 11:59 PM   #8
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Hey..just an idea/suggestion...while you've got the rear torn down and room to work how about moving the rear spring pearches on the frame so that the springs sit straight. Its a worthwile mod....

Superlift and Ballistic are the ones I can think of off the top of my head right now...should run less than $100.
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Just wondering why he's going with the rough country kit. Is it just a budget thing?
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Duncan, been thinking about that... thanks for the second opinion... lol I think he is going to do it. told him what he needs to do to re-use the stock upper perches. I have to work tomorrow night from 7p to 3a... in the prime jeep building time .... so maybe that will be my Saturday project...

YEP.... budget thing.

he/we have put about a 4K cap on all his mods right now [outside wheels and tires]. that also includes paint work at 800 so leaves 3200. he wants to go LA so budget wise, the RC kit will get him back on his wheels and meet the necessary requirements. we can always re-work it later on this summer or next fall etc... LA kit takes 1700 from the budget... leaves 1500 for bumpers, winch plate, new gas tank skid, SYE, drive shaft mods.

brian pulled the head of the donor 4.0 out of the hemi jeep tj project. we had pulled the valve cover a few weeks ago and found abit of sludge. YEP bad head gasket. thanks PO of the patriot hemi jeep. decided it would be a good idea to take it over to the head shop and have it checked real quick before it goes back on...




went to the steel store today and spent $90.. then $20 at home depot


drilling some extra mounting holes...


we cut some 3/8th plate, clamped it to the jeep and traced the lower angles, marked the bolt holes as well. plasma cut the angles and went on to drill out the mounting bolt holes.


new mounting plates bolted to the jeep...


we cut [2] pieces of box tube for stand offs... and then set them on the new 'bumper' in there respective locations to see what angle we could trim the bumper ends out at.




gotta love a plasma cutter....


tack welded the stand offs to the new bumper, then welded it up to the new mounting plates on the jeep...




at the steel shop. I bought a piece of 3/4"x2 flat stock for $16. I cut off [2] 4" pieces to make clevis mounts. plasma'd out some holes in the bumper and dropped them in. brian actually welded them in. that way if they fail we can blame him I had him run a bead inside the bumper. where the mount sat against the rear wall. he could reach it from the sides, which were still un-capped.



after the clevis mounts were done, we capped the ends..


so here it is for now... we cut some angles on the clevis mounts and grounds them to his liking. I did have any clevis's in the garage or big @ss drill bits so brian is going to have to drill those out later....

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2.5 to 4.0L swap and build up http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f9/he.../#post14946167
4.0 to 2008 5.3L GM LS in the Taco'd TJ [frame off build].....http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f9/5-...28/?highlight=
My new DD Build, lift, 4.0 motor swap, done in 6 days?....http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f22/6.../#post15716292

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going to jump on etrailer and order up a spindle, bearing and receiver mount to finish building the bumper. he wants to do the same set up as me, swing out carrier with a separate/removable swing down rear stinger. stinger wont happen till I get into a new shop, as we have to mount the bender to do all that.
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6.1 HEMI Ultimate LJ Rubicon Build http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f9/6-...ayhem-1013800/
2.5 to 4.0L swap and build up http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f9/he.../#post14946167
4.0 to 2008 5.3L GM LS in the Taco'd TJ [frame off build].....http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f9/5-...28/?highlight=
My new DD Build, lift, 4.0 motor swap, done in 6 days?....http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f22/6.../#post15716292

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made some good progress tonight on the heep... we got the new head gasket on, trans mated back up, fabbed up a set of custom motor mounts and... BAM the 4.0 is sitting in the void left by the ripped 2.5......









mounted the transmission to the skid plate and then floated the motor in between the rails.


took some measurements and fabbed up some frame side motor mounts out of a piece of 2"x4" .250 wall box tube.






tacked them in, set all the weight on them, verified angles etc and then burned them in..



painted and done!


that's if for tonight' progress. brian better order his parts lol because when I get my computer back for the hemi.. all my efforts are going back to getting that beast finished up LOL

brians getting some more steel supplies tomorrow, gave him a small list. going to make a front winch bumper tomorrow night if he gets all the pieces.
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6.1 HEMI Ultimate LJ Rubicon Build http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f9/6-...ayhem-1013800/
2.5 to 4.0L swap and build up http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f9/he.../#post14946167
4.0 to 2008 5.3L GM LS in the Taco'd TJ [frame off build].....http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f9/5-...28/?highlight=
My new DD Build, lift, 4.0 motor swap, done in 6 days?....http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f22/6.../#post15716292

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Man I like pics, so really liked the post you did.
MY Question or concern over the pull point on the rear bumper. I assumed most of the D ring attach points are all the way thru so as to be welded in at less 4 spots and have the benefit of the strength of both pieces of metal when snatching. As is now you only have the outer metal with weld being the only thing holding. My thinking is to cut a slot into the bumper and pass the mount all the way thru and weld on back, inside the tube and the out side. Also why did you not go ahead and cut a hole in it before you welded on? Makes it a turn pain to do unless you using a plamsa cutter and you got steady hand(i dont)
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thanks..

just to clarify on this particular bumper build.... truth is that i got distracted on the build and allowed my buddy to end up sealing up the access to the back of the bumper to do a 'thru' mount. after the fact, i was going to put them close to the frame mounts and weld front and back; but brian wanted them inline with the frame where we originally planned them to go. so thats where they went. they are fully welded and being .250 wall tube, youre not going to get 'much' flex out of the tube. i agree that thru welding is they way to go when doing something like this. in this particular build though, with the ends of the bumper still open, we were able to put an additional weld where the clevis mount met the 'back wall' on the inside of the bumper and increase the structural integrity of the mounts

Again, i agree that through welding is something that should be done if you have the availability. point in hand about the clevis mounts.... you can surface mount them as long as your welds are good and the mount is properly designed/sized. Alot [most] of the common mass produced bumpers out there are only 'surface mounted' when you look at them. most of these formed bumpers are only 3/16 steel with surface mounted clevis mounts and most dont posses the same structural integrity that a piece of 2x4 box tube inhereintly has, unless yo start getting into higher, more costly bumpers... you are paying for what you get.

i built a bumper for one of our jeeps, since sold, 2x4 box front with surface mount clevis mounts [common triangle design]. never a worry or issue and i'd do it again if wanted/needed.

few reasons on the 'drilling' them out... [1] no go on the plasma- tooo thick. [2] didnt have the proper drill bit... [3] drill press is locked up in storage [4] wanted to have a clevis in my hand to see about clearances. needless to say, we started drilling them out yesterday, need to get some new big @ss drill bits... lol
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Unread 02-11-2013, 09:09 PM   #15
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love the progress so far. subscribed. looking forward to where this goes.
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