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post #1 of 178 Old 11-30-2012, 08:00 PM Thread Starter
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H4 Lighting upgrade

upgrading the weak stock lighting. after doing some research I think I've come to the conclusion that H4 is the reasonable way to go

Thinking about the Hella E-Code Housings
http://www.quadratec.com/products/97052_9001.htm

and the IPF Fatboy II Super Clear H4 bulbs
http://www.quadratec.com/products/97018_2200.htm

I already have the H4 wiring harness

for $160, this seems like a nice mix between light output and reasonable price.

Any cons to either of these items? or a better item for a similar price?

I'm tired of seeing the shadow of my jeep in front of me at night because everyones lights are brighter than mine

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post #2 of 178 Old 11-30-2012, 08:06 PM
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I have the Hella E-Codes, and whatever bulbs the auto parts store had (Sylvania, I believe), without any wiring upgrades. Noticeable difference. I concur with your choice of housings (the pattern looks better). I can't comment on the bulbs, however, as I haven't seen them in person.

I should probably adjust mine, though, as they are aimed a little high, and I just discovered tonight that the high beams don't touch the road.
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http://www.busdepot.com/0301600118

Bosch e-code housings for $44 a pair. tack on a pair of standard bulbs @ $8 a pair. Boom you just saved yourself $100 and got a better product than the hella e-codes (that happens to be DOT listed for motorcycle use to boot).

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http://www.busdepot.com/0301600118

Bosch e-code housings for $44 a pair. tack on a pair of standard bulbs @ $8 a pair. Boom you just saved yourself $100 and got a better product than the hella e-codes (that happens to be DOT listed for motorcycle use to boot).
Smoking deal! I wish I'd found those before I ordered Hella E's @ 33 ea (amazon).
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http://www.busdepot.com/0301600118

Bosch e-code housings for $44 a pair. tack on a pair of standard bulbs @ $8 a pair. Boom you just saved yourself $100 and got a better product than the hella e-codes (that happens to be DOT listed for motorcycle use to boot).
That is a great deal, but what makes the bosch housings better than the hellas?
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I understand the price difference and maybe more shopping would net a better price for the Fatboy bulbs, but look at the wattage difference. It is a lot. I have had IPF lenses and fatboy bulbs on my last Jeep and loved them. My only reason for not upgrading this one yet is I have not decided exactly what I want to do and honestly, it is pretty low on my priority list right now.

I am looking at other opinions though.

http://northridge4x4.com/shop/ipf-4x...w-beam-xx-4x41

A quote from my wife: "I don't even want to know how much it cost, I'm not in the mood to be that pissed off today."
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Read this review of the Bosch parts:
http://www.ratwell.com/technical/BoschH4.html
Then spend some time with Google - I haven't personally done side-by-side comparisons, but the general consensus seems to be that Cibie > Bosch > Hella > the rest of the H4 7" sealed beam replacements.

This was discussed near-to-death not too long ago. read this:
http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f9/be...bicon-1431909/

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FWIW, Streetside Auto has Hellas for ~$32 and a 15% discount off that.

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http://www.busdepot.com/0301600118

Bosch e-code housings for $44 a pair. tack on a pair of standard bulbs @ $8 a pair. Boom you just saved yourself $100 and got a better product than the hella e-codes (that happens to be DOT listed for motorcycle use to boot).
I just did these this week, best $52 I have spent on the Rubicon.

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I wouldn't waste the money on the "fatboy" bulbs - automotive lighting gets discussed over on candlepowerfourms in great detail and there are some folks that work in the field over there with real world knowledge. To quote one of the issues with fatboy bulbs from this discussion http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...=1#post3569601 :

"The "fatboy" envelopes prevent rapid activation of the halogen cycle and the effective continuation of it, as the bulb walls do not heat up fast enough nor do they get hot enough. This results in shorter filament lifespan."

Get a quality bulb from companies like Osram Sylvania or Narva. I have the Narva Rangepower +30 bulbs in my Cibies and they provide a nice tradeoff betwen higher output and reasonable bulb life. They're a lot cheaper and are much higher quality bulbs. Another option that are highly regarded and recommended are these: http://store.candlepower.com/64205.html but be aware that there is a greater tradeoff in bulb life.



*edit: after reading some of the ridiculous hyperbole from IPF on these bulbs, it's clear to me they really have no idea what they are talking about:
  • "195 watts equivalent from 80 watts power draw" - patently absurd and untrue.
  • "Massive bulb encolsure creates unrivaled brilliance" - Uh...the bulb envelope has nothing to do with brilliance - the filament needs to be positioned to make the best use of the reflector assembly, the bulb envelope is there simply to hold the halogen gases needed to support the halogen cycle.
  • "Bulbs feature a surface area that is rounded allowing the bulb to last longer, operate at a cooler temperature, and have more light output" - Also absurd - cooler bulbs don't produce more light. As noted above, if the bulb doesn't get hot enough, filaments burn out quicker.
It seems like these IPF bulbs are just designed to part people from their hard earned money. Their claims show a real lack of understanding of how automotive lighting works and in most cases are just completely false. They don't even publish the light output in lumens or any other important specs such as lifespan at rated voltage - I suspect because the numbers would be disappointing.

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well, i went with the bosch e-codes http://www.busdepot.com/0301600118 ~$40
these 75/60w h4 bulbs http://store.candlepower.com/64205.html ~35
and a 100w wiring harness from amazon http://www.amazon.com/dp/B001P29X4G/...0_M3T1_SC_dp_1 ~ $30


just a tad over $100 and an amazing difference. best bang for the buck for lighting upgrade IMHO
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http://www.busdepot.com/0301600118

Bosch e-code housings for $44 a pair. tack on a pair of standard bulbs @ $8 a pair. Boom you just saved yourself $100 and got a better product than the hella e-codes (that happens to be DOT listed for motorcycle use to boot).
thanks for the info. I just placed my order with bulbs for my 06 wrangler! What is the easiest way to align/aim the bulbs?
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thanks for the info. I just placed my order with bulbs for my 06 wrangler! What is the easiest way to align/aim the bulbs?
www.danielsternlighting.com/tech/aim/aim.html

I just followed those instructions to the letter and got very good results.

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www.danielsternlighting.com/tech/aim/aim.html

I just followed those instructions to the letter and got very good results.
thank you! I'm excited to get these!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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