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Unread 10-28-2008, 05:43 PM   #1
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Front camber issues

So I installed a 4" Black Mountain Suspension lift (looked to be a pieced together kit with Superlift springs) which included a transfer case drop, springs, lower control arms and extended sway bar links and have had enough of a camber issue that my front tires (BFG M/T's)are wearing badly and alarmingly fast with 28 psi in them (chalk tested). My buddy is a Mopar mechanic who installed the lift and says there is no reason the camber should have changed from stock and without adjustable ball joint ends ($$$) there is no camber adjustability. Anyone else had/fixed a similar problem? Don't think it matters but the track bar had a new hole drilled, not an adjustable one.


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Unread 10-28-2008, 05:57 PM   #2
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So I installed a 4" Black Mountain Suspension lift (looked to be a pieced together kit with Superlift springs) which included a transfer case drop, springs, lower control arms and extended sway bar links and have had enough of a camber issue that my front tires (BFG M/T's)are wearing badly and alarmingly fast with 28 psi in them (chalk tested). My buddy is a Mopar mechanic who installed the lift and says there is no reason the camber should have changed from stock and without adjustable ball joint ends ($$$) there is no camber adjustability. Anyone else had/fixed a similar problem? Don't think it matters but the track bar had a new hole drilled, not an adjustable one.
What are your alignment readings? Camber should not have changed with the lift, Post the alignment readings, Incorrect toe in will wear tires more rapidly than any other alignment angle,Take the Jeep to a reputable alignment shop to have the alignment checked (They should provide a print out)
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Unread 10-28-2008, 06:24 PM   #3
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Haven't put it on a machine yet. Buddy is a tech at the dealership and it's a visual assessment at this point. But the tires are definitely wearing rapidly and cupping badly.
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Did you set the toe-in properly? Camber will not change from a suspension lift but the toe-in sure will. You absolutely must always set your toe-in after installing a suspension lift or what is happening to your tires will happen.
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Unread 10-28-2008, 10:03 PM   #5
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Did you set the toe-in properly? Camber will not change from a suspension lift but the toe-in sure will. You absolutely must always set your toe-in after installing a suspension lift or what is happening to your tires will happen.
No, we are putting on the machine this weekend. My boy is a good mechanic and friend, but I think he has the "half-@$$ed" bug by the end of the week about workin on Jeeps after doin cars and trucks all week... He seems to be pickin up though now that he got a ZJ and got a 5" homebrew lift on some 33" BFG's though. Just needed some motivated light at the end of the tunnel. I am pretty sure he knows what's up and how to fix it, I was just lookin for a professional Jerry answer! Thank you for it.

Everyone kick prayers to the Heep gods that we lick it this weekend; M/T's aren't decreasin in price alongside the Texas gas. $2.15 a gallon in Dallas right now, ready to take it to the trails!
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Set your own toe-in easily and entirely accurately on your own without needing a machine by setting it to between 1/16" to 1/8" closer in front than in the rear of the tire per the instructions at http://www.4x4xplor.com/alignment.html

Better yet, do the measurements like in the below photos. Setting your own toe-in like this will produce results just as accurate as an alignment machine can produce... in just a few minutes and for free! Mark the 1" steel tubing so the marks you measure between are at the same points the front and rear edges of your tires would be at... i.e. 33" or perhaps 35" apart.

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alignmentphotoblaines.jpg   alignmentphotoblainestape.jpg  
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Unread 10-29-2008, 07:48 AM   #7
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I agree with the toe setting as well. It doesnt take much movent in any dirrection to change the toe setting.Ive been trying to get the best possible caster setting so ive been changing my pinion angle down in small increments and always have to reset the toe in.
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SWEET! Thanks Jerry, I will be doing this ASAP! That is a gravy way and a killer write up. This forum has saved my butt countless times already but my wife is feeling like

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