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View Poll Results: February TJ of the Month
mdywglr4x4 42 18.03%
Member Disqualified. Votes here will not count 0 0%
LSU_TJ 33 14.16%
Bennettj13 69 29.61%
Elwood 12 5.15%
ZRubicon 14 6.01%
newracer 41 17.60%
QuickSilverCon 3 1.29%
Ultimate CC 14 6.01%
alecmcmahon 5 2.15%
Voters: 233. You may not vote on this poll

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Unread 02-20-2010, 04:26 PM   #136
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Wow, this is crazy!! I did not see Will's thread over on Pirate, that being said, I would have to believe that he did not violate the rules as they are written. unless there is evidence (not hearsay) to the contrary, his votes should be reinstated immediately!

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the thread was unfortunately deleted less than an hour after it was created by the Pirate admins. like previously said in this thread, it appears that no one on pirate really likes JF at all. they were threatening to ban me for "spamming about my website"

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Unread 02-20-2010, 04:31 PM   #137
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I saw the post on Pirate and he did not say to vote for him. Pirate doesnt like JF because, gosh, we bolt stuff on. We arnt the almighty creators.
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Unread 02-20-2010, 04:32 PM   #138
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I want all of the judges to post their personal opinions right here in the thread, no PMing BS.
Alright...fine...i hate BS drama tho, so I'm only throwing this out there once.
  • To post on another forum about JeepForum is isn't necessarily a bad thing.
  • To say "Vote for me" by travelling to another forum is pretty damn low.
  • To say "Vote for the TJ of the Month" by travelling another forum is fine. Drums up business and interest in JeepForum. Sweet.

I first came to this forum from another forum Jeeps-Offroad.com...where Jerry used to frequent with the same avatar. I visit Colorado4x4.org, Pirate4x4, ExpeditionPortal and a host of others. I admin two other forums unrelated to Jeeps (they're pretty dead now tho), and used to admin several game servers.

Now if new members from said other forum vote for their buddy who happens to be a well liked admin of that forum, then its a conflict of interest and it sucks, but guess what - thats life. It's not a contestant's fault said new members don't read the selection and choose their vote based on their own accord. Is it playing favorites? You bet. Should anything be done about it? Nope.

Since I doubt you can put spyder's votes back, and you certainly can't give him the time back or repair his image, theres three ways to handle this:
  1. Keep the contest going the way it is.
  2. Close the contest, call it off and try again next month. Start fresh, caulk this up to BS.
  3. Close this poll, open a new one without spyder as an option. "Top 9" if you will.

Personally, I'd go with #2.

But hey, keep in mind ***** happens, get on with life. Its only the internet and a stupid JeepForum contest originally intended for fun.

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the thread was unfortunately deleted less than an hour after it was created by the Pirate admins. like previously said in this thread, it appears that no one on pirate really likes JF at all. they were threatening to ban me for "spamming about my website"
That is absolutely absurd. thats why I don't like Pirate4x4 in additon to the high-and-mighty-better-than-everyone-else attitude. there is no reason to NOT link external forums. Internet = wealth of knowledge. Why starve knowledge? I also hate how JeepForum blocks ROF links - same principle.

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Unread 02-20-2010, 04:34 PM   #139
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FWIW (probably not all that much ) here's my two cents. Since it was posted on Jeep/offroad websites, I don't think it is that big of a deal. I'm on a JetSki/PWC forum, if I were in the contest and went over there and said "Hey come over here and vote for your favorite Jeep" and you had a bunch of people who didn't know anything about Jeeps and/or offroading in general that were over here voting, then yeah, I would have an issue with that. But since he didn't ask for specific votes for him and seems to have posted on websites that have knowledgeable members that appreciate what goes into these rigs and can actually vote based on more than just "I like that one because its pretty" , I don't think he should have been disqualified.
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Unread 02-20-2010, 04:48 PM   #140
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I saw the post on Pirate and he did not say to vote for him. Pirate doesnt like JF because, gosh, we bolt stuff on. We arnt the almighty creators.
Spyder never said vote for me ont hat thread, hell they were to busy bashing him to even come vote, i think the issue came up since he was in the running of ROTM and his name is the same over there as here, several people even said that was convienent of him to do so. now if his name was something else over there and he was saying come vote over here then i dont think we would have this discussion
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Unread 02-20-2010, 04:50 PM   #141
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I think Unlimited's option #2 is what should happen. I can understand that he was just putting out the word. There is nothing wrong with that. I do find it funny that there were some voters that had 0-10 posts, but still, nothing wrong with that. This contest is for fun, and it shouldn't be associated with such drama.

I do love the threads that say, hey... go to this link and vote for this person so that they can win some great prize. The only real prize here is a nice spot on a fancy calendar.

Also, Dmcastino is right. Spyder spread the word in a place where there is knowledge of Jeeps/4x4s. If he went to say a computer forum where he has the same name... people would only go to vote for him since they know him.

Will, James, sorry you guys had to go through all of this.
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Unread 02-20-2010, 04:57 PM   #142
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I do find it funny that there were some voters that had 0-10 posts, but still, nothing wrong with that.
like my brother who owns a cherokee and reads the forum all the time, but never posts because i answer all his questions for him? or UCTJ who ive helped with questions on the Rokmen skidplate or even CAS300D who came to me asking questions about his jeep and now has a fully outfitted extremely well built rig?

people like that who dont post? give me a break.

i think i fit into that category of "no idea who you are" on Pirate i have 7 posts, on ROF i have 5? maybe? who the hell am i to them?
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Unread 02-20-2010, 04:59 PM   #143
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one last thing to add -

I'd request a contestant NEVER be removed from a poll again without consulting the judges. Close the thread and have a VOTE amongst the judges - highlighting what rules have been broken, with links and supporting evidence as to why the contestant should be disqualified. You can reopen the thread once the issue has been resolved based on a VOTE by the JUDGES.

And if the contest administrator doesn't have the power to Close and Lock a thread, then maybe the contest administrator should be a JF admin.

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Unread 02-20-2010, 05:00 PM   #144
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Just close this thread, start it over. Lesson learned.
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nothing can be done to restore what has happened, there arnt enough days left in the contest. not to mention there are still people out there that think im a cheater.

that said the judges should decide (Digitalcox, wheelin98TJ,Rubiconrazorbac, Idaho-Jeep, Unlimited04, SuperWade2, QuickSilverCon) (and -sean-, since the month isnt out yet)
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Unread 02-20-2010, 05:18 PM   #147
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nothing can be done to restore what has happened, there arnt enough days left in the contest. not to mention there are still people out there that think im a cheater.

that said the judges should decide (Digitalcox, wheelin98TJ,Rubiconrazorbac, Idaho-Jeep, Unlimited04, SuperWade2, QuickSilverCon) (and -sean-, since the month isnt out yet)
Wow, I didn't know what I was getting myself into... oh the drama...

I think My Jeep should just be declared Feb TJOTM... I kid, I kid...

Being the new guy, I don't know if my voice carry's the same weight...but I say shut it down now and either squeeze 2 contests into March or something... It's not fair to the guys that entered, not fair to the winner, and I don't know all the details (since nobody bothered to check with the "Judges" before everything went down), but possibly not fair to Spyder who got booted without a full review.

The guy who wins is going to feel crappy because we won under "special circumstances"... I know guys take this very seriously (maybe too much so), but it's not like we are talking life and death here. It's a "FUN" contest...all of the drama makes it less so for everyone.

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Unread 02-20-2010, 05:27 PM   #148
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ya, this is the second time in just a few months that something like this has happened.....makes TJOTM kinda lame. I dont think anyone would want to win this way.
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Unread 02-20-2010, 05:28 PM   #149
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Let's be honest. 1 guy is out and Bennett obviously cheated somehow but I don't know how. So that leaves me in a distant 2 place for the win! Game over!

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Anyways as a very new member and not much clout I don't think you should be posting it outside of jeepforum and the reasoning behind it is this. 1st isn't it a 'JF TJ of the Month'? It would seem to be that way as you have to be on this forum to enter. Posting outside of here is almost an invite to vote for yourself to win and it really sort of 'sways/skews' the results in my opinion. To be honest if I posted this up on bimmerforums Off-Topic it would quickly blow up... kind of takes away from the competition IMO.

With that said Spyder and Bennett have the 2 best this month and their votes were very close. Why not kill it and start over? We still have 8 days to vote in February...
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nothing can be done to restore what has happened, there arnt enough days left in the contest. not to mention there are still people out there that think im a cheater.

that said the judges should decide (Digitalcox, wheelin98TJ,Rubiconrazorbac, Idaho-Jeep, Unlimited04, SuperWade2, QuickSilverCon) (and -sean-, since the month isnt out yet)
It is a tough call as I don't have all the facts, but from what I have read here it is hard for me to Justify DQing Will. I have to assume digitalcox was doing what he thought to be the right thing but it could have been premature I don't really know. If there was no directly asking for votes and this was what Will normally did (advertising the contest) than I would have to say a warning if that was all that was needed. I don't know Will all that well, but sense he has integrity and would not intentionally break the very rules he has been enforcing till now in hopes of gaining a few more votes... Therefore, this Judge feels that Will should be back into the running somehow. I think the voting needs to be started over now and ran for the remaining days of this month... any of the contestants have a problem with that?

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I'd request a contestant NEVER be removed from a poll again without consulting the judges. Close the thread and have a VOTE amongst the judges - highlighting what rules have been broken, with links and supporting evidence as to why the contestant should be disqualified. You can reopen the thread once the issue has been resolved based on a VOTE by the JUDGES.
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