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Unread 07-19-2010, 10:26 AM   #16
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Read this: http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f9/i-...-my-tj-751873/

edit: Can anyone dig up that photo of the underside of a TJ where it labels all the suspension components? I think that might help the young padawan.

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Unread 07-19-2010, 10:35 AM   #17
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So you guys would recommend running like a 4.5in and 35's rather than a 6in?
Simple answer: yes.

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first answer what you want to do with the Jeep. what tires do you NEED to run where you're going?

my suggestion - drive it and wheel it like it is for a year. save your money. then you'll know wtf you want.
This was recommended to me when I had a stock height Sport (the one I have now) on 31's and 3.07 gears. I wheeled the heck out of it, found its limitations, what I needed to encompass into my future build plans to overcome that "thing" that stopped me and I learned why I need lockers, why 5.13s are better for me (and my Jeep) than 3.07s and why I wanted D44's front and rear vs. D30/D35, etc., etc., etc.

Wheel it stock, beat the heck out of it, learn where the abilities and inabilities are. And the best thing about that? It'll make you a better driver that can overcome biger challenges unlocked in 2 wheel drive that others can't do in 4Lo and locked. You learn how to be a better wheeler because you know your Jeep better.

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I think what people are doing is trying to get you to determine what you really need vs. what looks cool and indicating just how big an undertaking 6 inches of lift will be if you want to end up with a safe/usable rig.
Yep. Exactly.

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4.5" on short arms is liveable. I did it for about 8 months.

I would however recommend 3.5" suspension and 1" body. That will ride nicely and be plenty of room for 35" tires.
3.5" suspension, 1" BL...rear Idaho Jeep's build thread. That's what he rides. Besides being one of the coolest rigs out there, Idaho is very detailed in his build thread about the whys, why nots and reasons for deciding upon products (beware...it's a LONG read, but worth every hour spent doing it).

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With flat fenders and adjustable arms... 35s on 2" BB is also doable. Sure, clearances everywhere are tight, and wheel offset, bumpstops, trackbars, and limiting front steering is needed... but if tire size, ground clearance, and offroad capability are the issue... there is NO reason to go to stupidly tall lift for any tire size that can be driven on the road comfortably.


OP, also read up on low center of gravity (LCOG) builds.

and I absolutely second (fourth?) the suggestion that you drive it stock, maybe with better tires in a 30 or 31 height, for a year before you start building.
LCOG builds: X2. There's many great threads here about them and you'd be amazed how capable a rig you can build without going up 29 feet in the air.



Main point: Determine what you need this rig to wheel. What kind of terrain? Is it going to stay a DD? Do research. Buy a Rubicon so you start off with a more than capable rig. Wheel the heck out of it and learn it. Have fun. Use this forum as your money saving tool. Read my signature that's written in white lettering. It's true. And as a last thought...build, don't buy. It's far more fun that way and you'll know better how to fix something that's broken (or a broken buddy on the trail) than if you buy built.

Have fun!
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Unread 07-19-2010, 10:38 AM   #18
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Read this: http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f9/i-...-my-tj-751873/

edit: Can anyone dig up that photo of the underside of a TJ where it labels all the suspension components? I think that might help the young padawan.
Do you mean this one?

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Unread 07-19-2010, 10:46 AM   #19
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That's the one! I think it might help anyone new to TJs that's reading this thread, including the OP. Thanks for finding and posting it.
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Unread 07-19-2010, 10:52 AM   #20
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My jeep is sitting on 37x14.5 Toyo MTs with the 5.5 rubicon express long arm kit and she rides good on the highway. In mine experience its all about shocks, long arms, and tires when your lifting a jeep that big. I had rubicon express mono tube shocks as my first shocks with the lift and 37x12.5 Goodyear MTs and she rode like crap on the highway. Last fall I got a set of Rancho 9000 adjustable shocks and my set of Toyos and the difference was amazing. So my point is if you get the right tires and shocks you will be alright.
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Unread 07-19-2010, 10:57 AM   #21
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^^^ By the this is after you have swapped in new axles, regeared em, got new HD steering, adjustable control arms and have a **** ton of money to spend on gas.
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Unread 07-19-2010, 10:59 AM   #22
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My best suggestion to you? #1 - try to answer the first question posted above. Why 6" plus? Then #2 - research, research, research.

Let me give you a bit of perspective:

Choice #1:


Choice #2:


Now...not to say my Jeep (choice #2 pic) is anywhere near done or perfect yet, but which would you choose to drive a tough 4 wheel trail in? Choice 1 or choice 2?

Oh...and just so you know, I'm a 4.5" lift on 35's.

It's apparent that the TJ would be chosen over the XJ

Obviously no one is going to vote for that amount of body lift done in that manner.


My Jeep does have a 6" Long Arm. Does it drive well with 35's? Yes, a heck of a lot better than my 4" short arm did. Yes I could change my springs (to 4 inch springs) and front track bar if I wanted to in order to decrease my ride height. So I do have some flexibility. However, I find that it wheels nicely and doesn't do horrible on the road either.

In all honestly I feel as though some of you are speaking about 6 inches as if it's some kind of monster lift that is huge and I should be running 40's. Have you driven a 6" lifted TJ? Seen one? Sure, it could be different by vendor but mine is tolerable...that's my opinion though.

I don't know that I would jump from stock right into a 6 inch suspension though. Like it has been said by previous posters, there is more to it than lift and tires. Personally, I wouldn't go anywhere above a 6 inch. That's the tallest I'd run.
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Unread 07-19-2010, 11:00 AM   #23
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That's the one! I think it might help anyone new to TJs that's reading this thread, including the OP. Thanks for finding and posting it.
No problem. That picture helped edumacate me a lot in the early days. I imagine it will "padawan" too.

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My jeep is sitting on 37x14.5 Toyo MTs with the 5.5 rubicon express long arm kit and she rides good on the highway. In mine experience its all about shocks, long arms, and tires when your lifting a jeep that big. I had rubicon express mono tube shocks as my first shocks with the lift and 37x12.5 Goodyear MTs and she rode like crap on the highway. Last fall I got a set of Rancho 9000 adjustable shocks and my set of Toyos and the difference was amazing. So my point is if you get the right tires and shocks you will be alright.
Please don't forget the obvious importance of gearing, gear housings, CVs, SYEs and axles (to name a few).
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Unread 07-19-2010, 11:07 AM   #24
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My Jeep does have a 6" Long Arm. Does it drive well with 35's? Yes, a heck of a lot better than my 4" short arm did. Yes I could change my springs (to 4 inch springs) and front track bar if I wanted to in order to decrease my ride height. So I do have some flexibility. However, I find that it wheels nicely and doesn't do horrible on the road either.

In all honestly I feel as though some of you are speaking about 6 inches as if it's some kind of monster lift that is huge and I should be running 40's. Have you driven a 6" lifted TJ? Seen one? Sure, it could be different by vendor but mine is tolerable...that's my opinion though.

I don't know that I would jump from stock right into a 6 inch suspension though. Like it has been said by previous posters, there is more to it than lift and tires. Personally, I wouldn't go anywhere above a 6 inch. That's the tallest I'd run.
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Absolutely, that would be the perfect height for 35" tires. And any time I see someone ask about a 3.5, 4.5, or 5.5" lift height, I suspect they are thinking about a Rubicon Express lift. So if you are looking at a Rubicon Express 4.5" lift, their 4.5" lifts are really more like 5-5.5" in reality anyway.
I'm on a RE 4.5" lift, so we're very comparable (I'm at approx. 5.5"). There's nothing wrong with a 6" lift. It's just that I think many of us have realized it's not NEEDED. But if you're happy, that's all that matters.

Remember, this thread and info. is for the padawan. And even you're agreeing that jumping straight to a 6" lift from stock is questionable.
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Unread 07-19-2010, 11:11 AM   #25
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In all honestly I feel as though some of you are speaking about 6 inches as if it's some kind of monster lift that is huge and I should be running 40's. Have you driven a 6" lifted TJ? Seen one? Sure, it could be different by vendor but mine is tolerable...that's my opinion though.

I don't know that I would jump from stock right into a 6 inch suspension though. Like it has been said by previous posters, there is more to it than lift and tires. Personally, I wouldn't go anywhere above a 6 inch. That's the tallest I'd run.
Jess, I speak for myself although I am sure others meant the same thing. 6" of SHORT ARM lift sucks...it rides horribly and has awful angles.

6" longarm will ride just fine. I for one am not a huge LCG puke, I'm more of a "if it works, it works" mentality.
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Unread 07-19-2010, 11:14 AM   #26
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I'm on a RE 4.5" lift, so we're very comparable (I'm at approx. 5.5"). There's nothing wrong with a 6" lift. It's just that I think many of us have realized it's not NEEDED. But if you're happy, that's all that matters.

Remember, this thread and info. is for the padawan. And even you're agreeing that jumping straight to a 6" lift from stock is questionable.
Yes it is.

I agree with what some of you have said as far as wheel it now and find it's limitations and go from there.

That could be why I went from stock, to 4 inches (short arm) and then finally arrived at 6 inches (long arm).

I can't say if it's needed or not, depends on the application.

So, short answer, no don't go with 6 inches right of the bat.


I also didn't get (maybe I missed it) the OP's intentions for the Jeep. Crawling? Mud? light trails? Those are some variables to consider OP.

That and in order for me to arrive at 6 inches of height I did more than tires and suspension. I focused on strength a bit too (Axles and the whatnot).

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Unread 07-19-2010, 11:18 AM   #27
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Jess, I speak for myself although I am sure others meant the same thing. 6" of SHORT ARM lift sucks...it rides horribly and has awful angles.

6" longarm will ride just fine. I for one am not a huge LCG puke, I'm more of a "if it works, it works" mentality.
Oh yes, 6" short arm is quite foolish. Just looking at the geometry alone I would know that without setting foot inside the vehicle.
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Unread 07-19-2010, 11:38 AM   #28
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Yes it is.

I agree with what some of you have said as far as wheel it now and find it's limitations and go from there.

That could be why I went from stock, to 4 inches (short arm) and then finally arrived at 6 inches (long arm).

I can't say if it's needed or not, depends on the application.

So, short answer, no don't go with 6 inches right of the bat.


I also didn't get (maybe I missed it) the OP's intentions for the Jeep. Crawling? Mud? light trails? Those are some variables to consider OP.

That and in order for me to arrive at 6 inches of height I did more than tires and suspension. I focused on strength a bit too (Axles and the whatnot).

Kiss your bank account goodbye. It's an addiction for sure.
The OP's intentions haven't been stated yet, but if they were, they'd help people here with knowledge of suspension builds guide him in the direction of satisfaction.

And yes....X2 on the kiss the bank account goodbye. Just Empty Every Pocket isn't such a funny saying to me (or my wife) anymore.

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Unread 07-19-2010, 01:45 PM   #29
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Is my reading comprehension lacking or did the OP never even say what he wants to do with his lifted jeep?

Everyone is going ape **** against high lifts because of center of gravity issues on the trail, when the guy just asked how does a 6 inch lift ride on the highway.

6 inch long arm kit, when properly set up should run fine.

6 inch short arm kit, done ghetto, should knock your teeth out when you go over a speed bump.
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Unread 07-19-2010, 01:58 PM   #30
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I run a Tera max LGC kit. I have 5" suspension and a 1" body lift on 37" Pitbulls. I feel my jeep is to tall but it does ride very smooth. I feel it rides better than a stock TJ. So do most of my friends who ride with me and own jeeps. However an escalade it is not, it's a jeep it's going to ride rough compared to other vehicles.
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