[Robert J. yates]

Originally Posted by Anticanman

You can't trust used lockers.

Why not? The used ARB in my truck has been there for 10 years and the guy before me used it for 2.

[Anticanman]

Originally Posted by Robert J. yates

Why not? The used ARB in my truck has been there for 10 years and the guy before me used it for 2.

What I meant to say was you can't trust people selling used lockers. And this statement is revised because with the last batch of Elockers that went out for the 8.8, you can't seem to trust new lockers sometimes either. I wasn't trying to be difficult but it seems to be better if you're the original purchaser of the item because you just don't know what has been done to them in the past.

[nitecop]

Originally Posted by clintrivera

Really? If an air hose is so unreliable what are you running for brake lines? The nylon air hose ARB uses isn't the most durable but it's easily repairable on the trail. How do you fix a failed cable? ARB lines usually fail because of poor routing or securing of the line and get caught on things on the trail. Semi trucks use a similar line for their brakes as well..

Well first, My brake lines ar not simply nylon/plastic hose.
And the Semi trucks don't on the same trails that I'll drive my Jeep on.
I'll let you know if i see a cable fail, as there are not the smae kind of a cable that you might see on a bicycle shifter.

Originally Posted by clintrivera

There are also aftermarket braided solutions to the ARB line that comes with the locker.

For just a little EXTRA $$$ I guess

[mrblaine]

Originally Posted by nitecop

I choose to judge them on which one I beleve is going to be more reliable in the long run.
That to me is the OX with its very sturdy cable. NO electric wire or air hose is going to hold up as well compared to the Cable.

The OXEN in this thread need some history lessons. I have an ARB compressor in my rig that has been in use longer than OX has been in business. Is that reliable enough for you? It's also using the same air solenoid valves, same wiring harness, and the same air lines.

As far as your highly ignorant electrical comment. Seriously? You best hope none of the wiring on your rig ever dies.

[mrblaine]

Originally Posted by floridajpr

Yes but you cannot lock or unlock your ARB lockers if your compressor or airlines fail. (I do think ARB's are good lockers though)
Remember, I can still actuate my OX lockers with a pair of pliers if I want and I havent had either one of my OX actuator cables fail in 6 years.

Of course you can unlock it, it defaults to unlocks when loss of air pressure lets the springs push the locking collar back which is a function identical in concept to how your silly Ox works.

And of course I can lock them if the compressor fails. I simply run the air line from my Co2 tank under the hood and it plugs right in to the port I installed on the compressor tank and it still lets me use the locker switches. I've probably got less in that single port fitting than you do in your pair of pliers.

I do not know why you ARB guys always try to talk the OX lockers down so much! I have never heard anyone with OX lockers talk the ARB lockers down, EVER! We OX locker people think that ARB lockers are some of the best lockers on the market but I also think that OX lockers are right there with ARB lockers and I do like the cable idea better than the air idea when I can lock or unlock my lockers with a pair of pliers if one of my cables fail. Can you unlock/lock the ARB lockers if your compressor or air line fails? Then again the ARB lockers do not fail too often thats why they are so popular, especially in the West.
Like I said both lockers are some of the best lockers on the market, just a little bit different. This difference gives peopple an option.

That right there is how you make flowers grow. Lots of BS.

[mrblaine]

Originally Posted by floridajpr

That was actually years ago when the first OX lockers came out. They had a problem with the lockers and stopped making them for a short time. Since then A different company bought OX and re-engineered the lockers and they have been GTG ever since. I think the company that bought them is Florida Machining or something like that around the Ocala, Florida area.

Yes it was years ago. They sold the company, started out good, ran downhill, lots of folks got screwed, another company bought it, rinse and repeat and now we are in one of their up cycles.

There was never much of a problem with the lockers, there were huge cable and adjustment issues and lots of customer service issues.

[mrblaine]

Originally Posted by ftgiles

The original owner/creator still owns OX today. He did involve partners along the way but has since assumed total control. His background and primary business is in the aircraft parts industry.

Reuben or Lazlo?

[nitecop]

Originally Posted by mrblaine

The OXEN in this thread need some history lessons. I have an ARB compressor in my rig that has been in use longer than OX has been in business. Is that reliable enough for you? It's also using the same air solenoid valves, same wiring harness, and the same air lines.

As far as your highly ignorant electrical comment. Seriously? You best hope none of the wiring on your rig ever dies.

Highly ignorant electrical? I have no problem with the compressors, NEVER said I did. I just don't trust E lockers (wires) or air lines running down to the axle pumpkins to hold up on the trail rides I go on here in my area. There is a lot of brush and loose rocks around here and they can play hell on parts down low that are not up to it.

[mrblaine]

Originally Posted by nitecop

Highly ignorant electrical? I have no problem with the compressors, NEVER said I did. I just don't trust E lockers (wires) or air lines running down to the axle pumpkins to hold up on the trail rides I go on here in my area. There is a lot of brush and loose rocks around here and they can play hell on parts down low that are not up to it.

Do it however you like because I don't really give a crap, but you have more hangy downy stuff that can get snagged than just an electrical line or air line to a locker. Pick another reason to justify your decision.

[clintrivera]

Originally Posted by nitecop

Well first, My brake lines ar not simply nylon/plastic hose.
And the Semi trucks don't on the same trails that I'll drive my Jeep on.
I'll let you know if i see a cable fail, as there are not the smae kind of a cable that you might see on a bicycle shifter.

For just a little EXTRA $$$ I guess

Are you still hung up on the lines? Really? If you run them with even HALF a brain you have a very minuscule chance of the line every going bad. Kinda like a semi truck - many with over a million miles with the same factory plastic lines. That's my point, they last a long time if ran properly. If you are still concerned, you should replace your fuel line, since that is plastic too. And you can fix them with a few cents in compression fittings from any hardware or parts store.

How are you going to fix your cable if it gets caught or fails? That's right. Buy $$$$$ a new one. ARB gives you enough plastic line to replace it about 200 times on a wrangler. You can practically engage a locker in a different state with all the line they give you.

My point: They only fail if you fail to install them correctly.

And yes, for a little extra $$$ you can get a fancy braided line that will still break if you route it poorly.

Just like the extra money you have to pay for the OX cable - since none is included.

[ftgiles]

Originally Posted by mrblaine

Reuben or Lazlo?

Help me out here because it’s been a long time since this “story” was related to me?

Florida Manufacturing Group was the original “creator” of the OX locker. The “inventors” (two guys in a garage) were friends of the FMG “guy”. FMG brought the manufacturing muscle to the “partnership”. Later, FMG brought in new “partners/investors” which didn’t work out and now the FMG “guy” is again/still overseeing OX production.

[JeepnBlake]

Please correct me if I'm wrong.. (I'm not)

But if I remember correctly Ox lockers can be engaged mechanically, electrically and pneumatically. They also have that little tool that was mentioned the drive-away lock that can be used if any of that other stuff fails.



Holy freakin picture batman. The good thing is you could probably replicate that thing pretty easy with a picture that size.

The only thing that bothers me about the ox is the way the actuation systems stick out the covers. I wonder in a front application if people snag a rock with the silver part of the end of the cable and break if off?



That's a rear 44, but he can back into rocks for the same effect.

Here's a little info on their history and the plant. Looks like Jerry might not even need to take that tour after all.

http://www.4x4review.com/Reviews/Pro...8/Default.aspx



I personally have popped my air lines off a couple times on my Rubi. Bear in mind the 5psi rubber hoses are a far cry from the 90 psi nylon hoses, the point remains valid that they do get snagged. Everything this has happened to me the snagging was due to tree branches flipping up and hitting the lines. This could just as easily damage electrical or nylon lines, where as the ox cable has a little beef to it and will probably let me drag a branch or two around.

Top top it all off you get a *****in' diff cover!


With all that said I'm not yanking my Rubi lockers to throw oxen in their place. If one of them blows up however it will probably get an ARB just to keep with the whole air theme.

If I was doing a 1 ton build I'd strongly be considering the Elockers since I can get them for both the 60 and 14B.


And who ever made the ******* point about all the sponsored drivers/racers running Detroits and ARBs did you stop and think there might be a reason for that? Idk maybe marketing or something like that...

Interestingly enough there are a hell of a lot more mechanical lockers floating around out there than air and electric, its funny those tractor deals have had locking rear diffs for a long time and they're mechanical.

Fire away.

[mrblaine]

Originally Posted by JeepnBlake

And who ever made the ******* point about all the sponsored drivers/racers running Detroits and ARBs did you stop and think there might be a reason for that? Idk maybe marketing or something like that...

You need to get into the marketing business for a bit and then try to give product to the top guys in any type of racing or competition venue where our products, (our meaning stuff we use on our rigs) are used.

They will almost across the board not accept or take money to run stuff that will not at least keep them competitive and even better if it gives them an edge or slight advantage. If there is a chance it will make them less competitive, you can't pay them enough to run it and I don't care what it is.

Winners like to win and they won't take stuff that won't let them do that.

[FarmerinVA]

I don't own either the OX or the ARB but I can tell BS when I read it about air lines, because I have lots of equipment with lines and cables. A huge benefit of non-cable actuation (whether that is air, hydraulic or electric) is that you can wrap it any direction you want without binding, and you can run it a far longer distance before you start to have issues. Want to twist the line in twenty loops around something? Go ahead. Try that with a cable. Ask anyone who runs in tough environments like forestry and logging and see if they prefer cables to lines; they'll tell you lines. Which do people have more trouble with due to a cable/line problem, particularly on a per-use basis: the ebrake (usually cable) or the real brakes (lines)? Yep, the ebrake.

[ftgiles]

Originally Posted by JeepnBlake

Please correct me if I'm wrong.. (I'm not)

But if I remember correctly Ox lockers can be engaged mechanically, electrically and pneumatically.

I run my front OX using an air cylinder that costs $15. It's a standard offering used for controlling pneumatic equipment.

The only thing that bothers me about the ox is the way the actuation systems stick out the covers. I wonder in a front application if people snag a rock with the silver part of the end of the cable and break if off?

...and a skid to protect it