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Unread 08-25-2012, 01:02 PM   #1
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Death wobble on left side

So when I'm driving down the road and hit a bump all of the sudden I get death wobble on the left front only and then when I slow down to under 15mph it stops and then I can drive again. I'm new to Jeeps and I know the track bar has a lot to do with it. I have a 4.5inch rubicon lift. Do I need to have the heim joint on the track bar replaced? And do I have to have the frame mount or body mount replaced where the track bar mounts to pivot?

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Unread 08-25-2012, 01:06 PM   #2
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If you think it is really only limited to one side, I'd focus on things that are semi-isolated to that side. Something like a bad ball joint or unit bearing. Don't see how a lot of the traditional stuff like trackbars, control arm bushings, TREs, etc. would only affect one side.
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Unread 08-25-2012, 02:03 PM   #3
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I'm new to Jeeps and I know the track bar has a lot to do with it.
Reading stories on here you'll see that there are a ton of other things besides the track bar - although it seems to be the most common.

In your case, could you have thrown a wheel weight on that one tire? Just a thought.

Otherwise, and to keep things simple, maybe you could have someone turn the ignition key one click to free up your steering wheel while you lay under the front of your Jeep. (don't start the engine) Then have them jerk the wheel back and forth as far as they can in rapid succession while you carefully eyeball each bushing connection for movement.

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Unread 08-25-2012, 02:15 PM   #4
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Id try and narrow it down before you start replacing stuff, these videos might help:


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So then, no one has told you how dumb those videos are yet? Nice steering.
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Unread 08-26-2012, 05:50 AM   #6
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So then, no one has told you how dumb those videos are yet?.
You're joking, right?
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Unread 08-26-2012, 07:56 AM   #7
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I read this post the other day, and I'm still trying wrap my head around getting DW on just one side. Unless it's a bad wheel or tire and isn't bad enough to transmit it thru the axle to the other side.

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So then, no one has told you how dumb those videos are yet? Nice steering.
Someone posted the first one in another thread a while back...couldn't make myself watch past the first couple minutes. The steering geometry is just so far off, that thing must be miserable to drive (and I've yet been able to figure out how you are supposed to properly set the toe on that Rusty's steering)

He did however provide good advice in his post when he said to try to narrow it down before you just start replacing parts.

Do the steering test that alldone suggested. Pay close attention to the movement in things. Watch all the TREs, both ends of the track bar and all ends of your control arms. There should be little or no visible play in any of these things.
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Unread 08-26-2012, 08:44 AM   #8
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I read this post the other day, and I'm still trying wrap my head around getting DW on just one side. Unless it's a bad wheel or tire and isn't bad enough to transmit it thru the axle to the other side.



Someone posted the first one in another thread a while back...couldn't make myself watch past the first couple minutes. The steering geometry is just so far off, that thing must be miserable to drive (and I've yet been able to figure out how you are supposed to properly set the toe on that Rusty's steering)

He did however provide good advice in his post when he said to try to narrow it down before you just start replacing parts.

Do the steering test that alldone suggested. Pay close attention to the movement in things. Watch all the TREs, both ends of the track bar and all ends of your control arms. There should be little or no visible play in any of these things.
Are those the videos where the guy points to the steering and doesn't know the difference between a draglink and the tie rod?
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Unread 08-26-2012, 09:13 AM   #9
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You're joking, right?
No, I am not joking. Those videos are a joke, except it didn't make me laugh... it made me cringe. At least for as long as I could take it before I closed my computer screen.
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Unread 08-26-2012, 09:26 AM   #10
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I read this post the other day, and I'm still trying wrap my head around getting DW on just one side. Unless it's a bad wheel or tire and isn't bad enough to transmit it thru the axle to the other side.


He only has DW on one side because he can't see both sides at the same time while driving. There's a fair bit of stuff that has to be wrong including not being able to drive the vehicle very far that would have to be true in order to get DW only on one side.
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Unread 08-26-2012, 09:30 AM   #11
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No, I am not joking. Those videos are a joke, except it didn't make me laugh... it made me cringe. At least for as long as I could take it before I closed my computer screen.
I had a moron elsewhere try to slap me around with those videos over a discussion concerning "proper" bolt size relative to hole diameter and why that causes DW.

I couldn't make it through more than a few minutes before the glaring mistakes and horrible geometry got the best of me.
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He only has DW on one side because he can't see both sides at the same time while driving...
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Unread 08-26-2012, 11:24 AM   #13
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No, I am not joking. Those videos are a joke, except it didn't make me laugh... it made me cringe. At least for as long as I could take it before I closed my computer screen.
What does it matter if my steering is loose, backwards, or upside down for that matter? I didn't make the video to show how cool me and my Jeep are. I made the videos to show others what to look for when they are experiencing death wobble.

I think its a shame that people assume that bullying is only something that happens in schools. Apparently you guys never grew up and are the same bully's that you used to be. Or maybe you were the ones being pushed around back then and now you are trying to harass others because you can hide behind your computer screens. If you'll remember, the reason a bully says hateful things is because he has a low self esteem and feels empowerment by demeaning others. That's all I will say as I don't want to be a bully myself.
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What does it matter if my steering is loose, backwards, or upside down for that matter? I didn't make the video to show how cool me and my Jeep are. I made the videos to show others what to look for when they are experiencing death wobble.

I think its a shame that people assume that bullying is only something that happens in schools. Apparently you guys never grew up and are the same bully's that you used to be. Or maybe you were the ones being pushed around back then and now you are trying to harass others because you can hide behind your computer screens. If you'll remember, the reason a bully says hateful things is because he has a low self esteem and feels empowerment by demeaning others. That's all I will say as I don't want to be a bully myself.
You must have grown up in the no winners no losers generation where everyone gets a participation trophy and a pat on the butt for just showing up with their clothes on right side out.

That isn't bullying, that's an opinion based on the merit of your "product".

Your information is partially accurate, you are either mistaken as to the name of the parts involved, or don't know any better, and if you built that mess, you need some more practice. None of that is really bad, it just takes away from the message and the only folks that will pay attention to it are the less ignorant and if they go away with the completeness of your "teaching", they have only wound up the same ignorant.

So, were it me, I'd rather you learn some more, fine tune the presentation, and then quit referring to them as "awesome" and "the best" because they are neither.
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Unread 08-26-2012, 12:06 PM   #15
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What does it matter if my steering is loose, backwards, or upside down for that matter? I didn't make the video to show how cool me and my Jeep are. I made the videos to show others what to look for when they are experiencing death wobble.
In all seriousness, if you are going to post your own content on a site, with the intent of helping others, you owe it to the content viewers to have the most accurate information possible. Pointing to your tie rod and calling it a drag link does NOTHING to help a new Jeep owner who is clueless. They already admit they don't know what there problem is by posting up a thread looking for help. You do not need to confuse the issue by feeding them disinformation. Do the right thing....unlink that video now. You aren't helping anyone and you are making yourself look rediculous, to say the least.
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