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Unread 10-29-2006, 07:37 PM   #1
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Clutch override, Dont clutch in water, i dont understand..help?

I dont understand the point of the clutch override system really, say your stuck on a rock, or mud, or anything, you will have to engage the clutch at one point to put the jeep back into gear.


any the theory of not depressing the clutch when you are going through water or mud i understand, but what happens when you get stuck? the clutch has to go in at some point to put the vehicle back to neutral to prevent stalling, or once again the clutch has to be engaged to either start the vehicle or put it back into gear when getting pulled out.



so im confused.. and i come to you all for help


explain these theories..and benefits of clutch override..etc please?

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Unread 10-29-2006, 07:57 PM   #2
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You start the vehicle in gear. Try it out, override the clutch interlock, put it in first, and turn it over. It'll start running as it starts to move. Really easy to do in 4L.
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Unread 10-29-2006, 08:02 PM   #3
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You start the vehicle in gear. Try it out, override the clutch interlock, put it in first, and turn it over. It'll start running as it starts to move. Really easy to do in 4L.
I have to do that everytime I move my Heep right now... no clutch = running start everytime. (I use 2hi, and don't worry, it doesn't move very often).
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Unread 10-29-2006, 08:06 PM   #4
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First off don't stop in water/mud and depress the clutch, sediment will get between the friction disc and the flywheel/pressure plate. Resulting in you having to replace the clutch.

If you are going through water and the water stalls the engine, you have 2 choices in getting out, restart the engine or get pulled out and then restart. If you have the clutch switch overridden you can put the tranny in neutral get the engine running and then shut it off. With the engine able to run put it into first and restart the engine, durring the whole process you never depressed the clutch. This is hell on a starter but it is easier and cheaper to replace them.

A popular misconception about a standard transmission is you have to use the clutch. It is only need to engage first gear with the engine running since most transmissions are synchonized. What the synchonizers alow you to do is shift on the fly without the clutch. I wouldn't recomend doing this as the grinding sound you will hear is the teeth wearing off. The secret is having the engine turning the speed at which the wheels are turning for that gear (2,3,4,5). in my old truck 2nd gear was about 10 mph and 3 was 15-18.

I hope that answered you question with out being too confusing.
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Unread 10-29-2006, 08:12 PM   #5
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This is hell on a starter but it is easier and cheaper to replace them.
Check my sig. Mean Green makes starters for this exact reason. Good stuff.

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A popular misconception about a standard transmission is you have to use the clutch. It is only need to engage first gear with the engine running since most transmissions are synchonized. What the synchonizers alow you to do is shift on the fly without the clutch. I wouldn't recomend doing this as the grinding sound you will hear is the teeth wearing off. The secret is having the engine turning the speed at which the wheels are turning for that gear (2,3,4,5). in my old truck 2nd gear was about 10 mph and 3 was 15-18.
Once again, . I've found the "proper" engine speed for shifting with most gears is ~1900 RPMs. But, once you get out of the crap, you can use the clutch as you have come to know and love. Just DON'T use it while in the middle of a puddle.
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Unread 10-29-2006, 08:12 PM   #6
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Clutchless shifting is fine in a real truck, I dont think the AX or NV will appricate it much. Its your trans though.
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Unread 10-29-2006, 09:11 PM   #7
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... where is the clutch overide?

not to sound like a n00b but I have never heard of it.
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Unread 10-29-2006, 09:37 PM   #8
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Fuse panel behind the glovebox, bottom left 20 amp says something about auto trans bla,bla. put a fuse in and no more pushin clutch to start. remove fuse and you have to push clutch in to start.
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Unread 10-29-2006, 09:42 PM   #9
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A popular misconception about a standard transmission is you have to use the clutch. It is only need to engage first gear with the engine running since most transmissions are synchonized. What the synchonizers alow you to do is shift on the fly without the clutch. I wouldn't recomend doing this as the grinding sound you will hear is the teeth wearing off. The secret is having the engine turning the speed at which the wheels are turning for that gear (2,3,4,5). in my old truck 2nd gear was about 10 mph and 3 was 15-18.
Not something I would do as your synchros are now function as clutch since most of us can't rev match that well. And the grinding sound is the dog tooth in transmission failing to engage.
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Unread 10-29-2006, 09:46 PM   #10
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i thought synhconizers were so that you can downshift
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Unread 10-29-2006, 09:52 PM   #11
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When 4-wheeling with stick, you can crank your engine in first gear without pressing down on clutch. The sheer power of cranking will start it in gear and get the Jeep moving forward. This is the way the Jeep Legend Mark A. Smith made it over the swamps in the Amazon jungle. You don't press the cluth when submerged in water, as it will damage the clutch.

Or, just buy a rig with AUTO.
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Unread 10-29-2006, 10:21 PM   #12
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so basically i do the clutch overide, and i can start my jeep when its off in first gear if im stuck and it will go?
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Unread 10-29-2006, 10:25 PM   #13
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Don't forget that your starter has quite a bit more torque than your engine. Lots of folks use their starter to climb obstacles and what not.
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Unread 10-29-2006, 10:27 PM   #14
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so basically i do the clutch overide, and i can start my jeep when its off in first gear if im stuck and it will go?
if you are stuck.....then you are stuck. There isn't much you can do at that point. If you start the car in gear without the clutch you just get a lot more torque, you start rolling as the key turns, and you won't jack your clutch up in the mud.
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Unread 10-29-2006, 10:36 PM   #15
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Don't forget that your starter has quite a bit more torque than your engine. Lots of folks use their starter to climb obstacles and what not.
Your serious? I never heard of that...
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