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post #1 of 38 Old 06-06-2017, 10:53 PM Thread Starter
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Buying a TJ, What does this mean?

So I'm buying my first TJ, like many newbies, I want a cool jeep with a lift kit and big tires blah blah. So I want to learn the more technical side of it all. I've found a jeep and some specs have been posted and I just want to know what it is I'm getting into and what these thing mean. Any reading material forwarded my way for beginners would be greatly appreciated but everything I've found thus far has been jumbled mess.

I'm looking at an 05 Jeep Wrangler which is pretty heavily upgraded but I don't know exactly what this means

"4.10 gears
Rear limited slip locker"
Though I wanted to customize a TJ from stock, this one just so happens to have a lot of the many things I wanted to ultimately do and is also in my price range.

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post #2 of 38 Old 06-06-2017, 11:09 PM
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"4.10 gears
Rear limited slip locker"

Those could actually be stock. Post the link to the rig your looking at.

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Well since my op was my first post it won't let me post a link for my second post for spam purposes but I'll copy and paste the description

"Well taken care of jeep. 117k
Interior is perfect
4.0
6 speed manual
4x4
3 in. lift
4.10 gears
Rear limited slip locker
Rear ARB comp. diff cover
New soft top
Borla exhaust
Newer 33x12.50 Falken WildPeaks A/T's
Newer ball joints/tie rod ends
New clutch/throwout bearing/pilot bearing
K&N Cold Air Intake
Hood mount trail jack
Rock sliders
Smittybilt front bumper
Only selling because I've got too many vehicles and I'm trying to buy a home. Text me anytime or call after 4 pm( I work till 3:30 mon-fri)."



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4.10 gear means the differentials have ring and pinion sets with a 4.10:1 ratio

rear limited slip locker means it has a limited slip differential in the rear axle which the seller is incorrectly calling a locker. If it's a factory clutch type limited slip it's not worth much off road, better than an open differential, but not ideal.

I would want more details about the suspension, if it has a Dana 35 or 44 rear axle, and things like that. But, it doesn't really sound like you would know what to ask or maybe even know what the responses would mean?
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Well taken care of jeep. 117k
- "Well taken care of" is subjective, 117k is reasonable for the year.

Interior is perfect
- Again, subjective

4.0
- Engine size, this is the one you want (as opposed to the 2.4)

6 speed manual
- Need to make sure you want a manual rather than an automatic

4x4
- All TJs are 4x4, this tells us nothing

3 in. lift
- Need to know what brand. Some are good, lots are crap.

4.10 gears
Rear limited slip locker
- See NotURMailman's post above. Ask which rear axle it is (will be Dana 35 or Dana 44) and which front axle (Dana 30 or Dana 44), as well as what brand of locker.

Rear ARB comp. diff cover
- These can sometimes cause more issues than they solve.

New soft top
- They do wear out, this saves you some money.

Borla exhaust
- Doesn't really do much for you, other than changing the sound.

Newer 33x12.50 Falken WildPeaks A/T's
- Ask what year installed, and how much tread is left.

Newer ball joints/tie rod ends
New clutch/throwout bearing/pilot bearing
- Again, things wear out. However, seems a little early for a clutch, could indicate that it was driven too hard.

K&N Cold Air Intake
- Useless

Hood mount trail jack
- Many will tell you these are useless/dangerous. Most that are out there are just for looks.

Rock sliders
Smittybilt front bumper
- These are kind of more for looks than function. If you like them, great.

Only selling because I've got too many vehicles and I'm trying to buy a home.
- Statements like this make me uncomfortable.


When/if you look at it, pay particular attention to the amount and location of rust on the frame. If you can, take pictures and share them here.

Some good reads:
http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f9/st...ations-452871/
http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f9/tj...embers-722109/
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I'd confirm the gearing and LSD or not (although as posted above, this is of limited value). I don't believe that combination would have come OEM in that jeep and that build does not feel like a build where owner would have regeared.
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I was thinking this might be one of those times someone swapped in axles from a 4 cylinder, so that would be a D35 with OEM clutch type LSD (I think LSD was an option on the D35?)if that is the case...


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I was thinking this might be one of those times someone swapped in axles from a 4 cylinder, so that would be a D35 with OEM clutch type LSD (I think LSD was an option on the D35?)if that is the case...
I didn't think that one had an LSD, but I could be wrong.

As you said though, even when new that LSD was of limited value and at 117k the clutches are going to be pretty worn.

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I bought my Jeep lifted, and I am slowly having to replace everything anyway... But if the price is right, there is little to no rust on it and you don't mind the work I would think it's a good platform to start. Also, if you get the VIN you can download the factory build sheet. I found that mine came with a D44 rear, 3.73 gears and a limited slip.


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Thanks for the response everyone. I've been slightly torn here. He wanted 12k for it and I've got him talked down to 10.5 which seems like a pretty reasonable price (10.5 is the clean NADA retail value). Since I'm in East tennessee these things are for sale everywhere. He bought a JKU and is wanting rid of this one.

Like I said I'm torn, part of me wants to look for one bone stock to build and learn on. I'm going to possibly pull the trigger on this one tomorrow depending on how the frame looks and condition in person. The only thing that sucks is he says he's been at work and it's hard to get him into a conversation since I've talked him down and he agreed on my price. We'll see how goes.

I have the VIN, how would I look up the factory build to determine the axels?

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10.5 seems steep to me but im in different neck of the woods. With so many unknowns I don't know how you even negotiate. If it just has 4cyl 35/30 axles thats not a good price. if it has a 44/30 that has been regeared with truetrac or something that's a big difference. You should really get concrete details before you even start talking price. It does look clean though so whatever makes you happy.

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it's got Dana 35 in the rear and Dana 30 in the front, 4.10 gears.

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A 4.0L 35/30 like that one typically goes for $7k - $10K a few states over (SC) .... A pure stock one is usually in the lower $6k-$8k range in my parts... I don't usually see any difference in what year it is impacting the prices much if at all.

I have been scanning for a good one myself to get for my son... and have been amazed that a 97-99 is sometimes the same and even a bit more than an 04-06.... I am starting to consider expanding my "Miles From" and look a few states away from me in hopes it will help find a decent price/quality.

You just have to go with your gut, in either case, you will have something that you can tinker with and most likely will need to in order to correct something the PO didn't do right.
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well, I ended up buying a jk from my best friend. 2008, 69k miles for 12k.

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well, I ended up buying a jk from my best friend. 2008, 69k miles for 12k.

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Apparently he wasn't your best friend. Did he get you a KJ too?
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