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Unread 01-07-2012, 09:51 PM   #1
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Broke my rear shocks ftw

Went wheeling today pretty hard and both rear shocks have broken there upper mounts and are not hanging freely in place. Lower mounts appear to be good. The right rear mount has the bar where the upper would attach to however the left rear has nothing, I think whatever it is supposed to attach to has broken off?

Now that the stock mounts have already failed should I go ahead and relocate my rear shocks for better articulation? Would relocating prevent this from happening again? Any help would be greatly appreciated



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Unread 01-07-2012, 10:00 PM   #2
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Limit straps would prevent that from happening
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Unread 01-07-2012, 10:01 PM   #3
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that's exactly what proper bumpstop extensions and limit straps are designed to prevent.

bumpstop and shock relocation write-ups linked below.
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Unread 01-07-2012, 10:11 PM   #4
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Thanks for the help, I will most def set proper bumpstop when everything is repaired correctly. Searching quadratec I am only able to find lower shock mount relocation kits, is there any benefit to relocating the upper mounts, or should I just go about fixing the stock mounts?

I wasn't able to crawl under there to get a good look so I'm not sure of the damage so far, I'm really hoping there's not going to be any welding involved but from searching it looks like breaking bolts is extremely common.
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Unread 01-08-2012, 09:44 AM   #5
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read through the links in his sig, then stop shopping at q-tek for custom parts.
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Unread 01-08-2012, 11:36 AM   #6
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I think the third, fourth, sixth, and eighth picture shows the two bolts that hold the pin that the shock is supposed to attach to? It appears that the pin was broken clean off and bent the metal washers in the process...
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Unread 01-08-2012, 11:37 AM   #7
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yup, you destroyed the bar pins on the shocks because you don't have enough bumpstop extension - which is clearly visible in the pics. the stock shock mounts are just fine. if you don't adjust the set the bumpstop extensions properly, it will happen again.
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Unread 01-08-2012, 11:55 AM   #8
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Thanks Unlimited04, you've once again saved the day (first trackbar/pitman arm, and now bumpstop/shocks). I will get a new set of rear shocks along with bump stop extensions (I'm thinking 2.5" to be on the safe side).

I've been reading the bumpstop & shockguide while searching also and I'm not sure if bar pin eliminators would be an extra thing to add or not, I read that it helps make changing shocks easier as well. ( http://www.4x4groupbuy.com/store/ter...or-p-6104.html )

I was looking at Fox Shocks previously recommended ( http://shop.savvyoffroad.com/product...&categoryId=22 ) and it looks like they come with bar pins preinstalled, so I'm thinking I would only need to bolt them up in the factory location and I should be good to go along with getting the new bump stops?
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Unread 10-24-2012, 04:30 PM   #9
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My one rear bar pin is also toast. Dunno if it's related, but I broke both left front CAs on my latest outing. Was lucky enough to have some very handy mates right there who knew how to handle a pair of ratchet straps and used them to tie my axle to the lower CA and the spring perch, otherwise I dunno how I'd have got my Jeep out of there! As it were, I was able to drive out of the trail on an escape route, which had it's own little steepish steps, btw.

Anyway, I've been considering getting a pair of air springs for the rear for some time now, and if I understand them correctly they would replace and effectively extend the bumpstops somewhat, right?

FYI, I have a 2.5" Rough Country lift with a pair of 3" BDS springs in the rear.
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Unread 10-25-2012, 07:35 AM   #10
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Spray the crap out of them upper bolts with PB Blaster or something. They usually snap off then big fight.
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Anyway, I've been considering getting a pair of air springs for the rear for some time now, and if I understand them correctly they would replace and effectively extend the bumpstops somewhat, right?
what do you mean "air springs"?

I run AirLift load leveling air bags inside the rear springs, and I can tell you for sure that they do NOT replace properly extended bumpstops.
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what do you mean "air springs"?

I run AirLift load leveling air bags inside the rear springs, and I can tell you for sure that they do NOT replace properly extended bumpstops.
Oh, OK ... Then I was clearly misunderstanding the description I was given by the local dealer. Yep, just checked and these ones are also made by AirLift, so they're probably the same as yours. I guess you would recommend them, right? You wouldn't perhaps have a photo handy of how they're fitted?
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I guess you would recommend them, right? You wouldn't perhaps have a photo handy of how they're fitted?
see my build thread.
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Spray the crap out of them upper bolts with PB Blaster or something. They usually snap off then big fight.
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If they snap off they should just fall right out if I'm not totally out of my mind here. They don't thread into anything, just bolt through the hole with a normal nut and bolt...
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If they snap off they should just fall right out if I'm not totally out of my mind here. They don't thread into anything, just bolt through the hole with a normal nut and bolt...
if they snap off it sucks because the nut is welded to the frame...between the body and the frame in a rather tight spot. they're a PITA to get to, unless you have a BL, willing to lift the body off the frame a little, or remove the gas tank.

the bolts are hardened steel, and you can drill them out with a cobalt bit...just takes a while and requires cutting oil. if you snap the bit inside the busted bolt, you're really screwed because you then need to torch them off.

I drilled mine out, even the ones that did come out fine, and installed a regular bolt/nut, which then requires the ability to prevent the nut from spinning up top (almost a two person job).

some people just rotate the shocks 90° and drill new holes. or fish a dremel tool up there and try cutting the weld-nuts off that way.
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